Favourite Joss Whedon show?

[Starkers]

Speaking as a fan of Blakes 7, I'd debate the notion of heroic freedom fighters, really only Blake and Cally fall into that category, in fact I'd be tempted to just say Cally, because Blake's a fantic. This is a man who was willing to get into bed with--essentially--the mafia, a drug dealing mob, because he thought they could help him bring down the Federation. This is a man who wanted to destroy the central computer on Star One, irrespecive of the fact that it contoled the climates of dozens of terraformed worlds and would lead to deaths, because again he saw that as a price worth paying. As Avon said of him. "He will fight to the last drop of their blood."

Avon is a thief, a very clever, exceptional thief, but a thief nonetheless. Villa is a thief and a coward, Jenna a smuggler, Tarrant...well Tarrant is at best a privateer, and Soolin is a gun for hire. "I don't give my allegience, I sell my skill." You could argue that Gan was pretty noble, and maybe Dayna (although really she only fought the Federation for a chance to kill Servalan.)

For the first two series Blakes 7 could be termed a standard freedom fighters vs totalitarian regeime (although as stated they aren't standard heroes) but the third series basically sees them mainly interested in piracy, and whilst they fight the Federation it's usually because the Federation are in the way of some prize they're interested in. In the fourth series they're back to trying to topple the Federation, but mainly this is about self interest, they can't merely hide from the Federation, they have to fight them or be destroyed. "In the end, winning is the only safety."

I get the point that the crew of Firefly was lessimportant within the universe they lived in, but the crew of the Liberator (and latterly the Scorpio) were far from being noble heroes (and don't I love em for it )

 

[Sindatur]

Speaking as a fan of Blakes 7, I'd debate the notion of heroic freedom fighters, really only Blake and Cally fall into that category, in fact I'd be tempted to just say Cally, because Blake's a fantic. This is a man who was willing to get into bed with--essentially--the mafia, a drug dealing mob, because he thought they could help him bring down the Federation. This is a man who wanted to destroy the central computer on Star One, irrespecive of the fact that it contoled the climates of dozens of terraformed worlds and would lead to deaths, because again he saw that as a price worth paying. As Avon said of him. "He will fight to the last drop of their blood."

Avon is a thief, a very clever, exceptional thief, but a thief nonetheless. Villa is a thief and a coward, Jenna a smuggler, Tarrant...well Tarrant is at best a privateer, and Soolin is a gun for hire. "I don't give my allegience, I sell my skill." You could argue that Gan was pretty noble, and maybe Dayna (although really she only fought the Federation for a chance to kill Servalan.)

For the first two series Blakes 7 could be termed a standard freedom fighters vs totalitarian regeime (although as stated they aren't standard heroes) but the third series basically sees them mainly interested in piracy, and whilst they fight the Federation it's usually because the Federation are in the way of some prize they're interested in. In the fourth series they're back to trying to topple the Federation, but mainly this is about self interest, they can't merely hide from the Federation, they have to fight them or be destroyed. "In the end, winning is the only safety."

I get the point that the crew of Firefly was lessimportant within the universe they lived in, but the crew of the Liberator (and latterly the Scorpio) were far from being noble heroes (and don't I love em for it )

Can't wait to rewatch Blake's 7, haven't seen it in a couple of decades since it was shown on PBS. I just got all 4 Series this month, and anxiously looking forward to watching ti again.

 

[Skellington]

Can't wait to rewatch Blake's 7, haven't seen it in a couple of decades since it was shown on PBS. I just got all 4 Series this month, and anxiously looking forward to watching ti again.

Maybe you should do a rewatch thread. That might prove interesting.

 

[Sindatur]

Can't wait to rewatch Blake's 7, haven't seen it in a couple of decades since it was shown on PBS. I just got all 4 Series this month, and anxiously looking forward to watching ti again.

Maybe you should do a rewatch thread. That might prove interesting.

I'm not sure I could be relied upon to watch at a steady pace or be as entertaining as other Rewatch Threads are, I'd love to try though

*Sorry for the thread drift*

I liked Dollhouse alot, despite it's rough Narciscistic beginning.

Firefly, could've been great, and I enjoy it, but, not as enamored as some.

Buffy and Angel, certainly worth watching most of the episodes, but, I never felt the need to follow every single episdoe week in and week out (though I have Buffy s1-4 on DVD and I've seen Angel daily a couple times through)

So, yea, I'm the sole Dollhouse Favorite vote (Heh, I notice it's the only one with italics in the Poll, prejudice? )

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Firefly is the only one of his I've liked. I checked out Buffy and Angel - eh. I found Dollhouse unwatchable.

 

[DevilEyes]

Firefly is the only one of his I've liked. I checked out Buffy and Angel - eh. I found Dollhouse unwatchable.

Define "checked out".

 

[Aldo]

Firefly. Perhaps it's because the series was so brief, but I find myself going back to that one over and over again.

 

[label]

Firefly is the only one of his I've liked. I checked out Buffy and Angel

Unfortunately, much like Lost, one cannot "check out" Buffy or Angel. Both are so heavily dependent on context and previous story lines that it's impossible to really appreciate much that makes Buffy (or Angel) so good without viewing at least viewing at least one full season. If you really want to give Buffy a shot, I'd say watch Season 2 or 3 all the way through. Or, Angel Season 2 all the way through. Even then some will be lost to the continued serial nature of both series. Still, you'll have a better idea whether you'd actually enjoy either series entire runs.

Just from knowing you over the last decade, I'd say you probably would enjoy Angel pretty well if you watched it straight through. You'd certainly lose something in Season 1 by not watching Buffy Season 1-3 and lose a little bit in Angel Season 2, but once you get those two seasons under your belt, you could watch Angel Seasons 3-5 without any Buffy and be just fine.

 

[Greg Cox]

Buffy
Angel
Firefly
(Only seen a few eps of Dollhouse, so I can't really judge.)

 

[saturn5]

Can't wait to rewatch Blake's 7, haven't seen it in a couple of decades since it was shown on PBS. I just got all 4 Series this month, and anxiously looking forward to watching ti again.

Maybe you should do a rewatch thread. That might prove interesting.

I'm not sure I could be relied upon to watch at a steady pace or be as entertaining as other Rewatch Threads are, I'd love to try though

*Sorry for the thread drift*

I liked Dollhouse alot, despite it's rough Narciscistic beginning.

Firefly, could've been great, and I enjoy it, but, not as enamored as some.

Buffy and Angel, certainly worth watching most of the episodes, but, I never felt the need to follow every single episdoe week in and week out (though I have Buffy s1-4 on DVD and I've seen Angel daily a couple times through)

So, yea, I'm the sole Dollhouse Favorite vote (Heh, I notice it's the only one with italics in the Poll, prejudice? )

I'd certainly go for a Blakes 7 rewatch
The ending is interesting, the crew have united all the anti-Federation factions and distributed to them the cure for the Federations mind control drugs used to keep populations of their planets subjugated. This is the end of the Federation who will now find themselves massively overextended and without the resources to control all the territory they've conquered now they can't drug the people. But Avon realises that the galaxy may fall into anarachy and needs a central authority to unite it (much like the Federation?) so he goes in search of Blake to be that leader. The show starts off with Blake as the idealist and Avon as the cynical mercenary, it ends with a reversal of those roles.
Avon's remark about Blakes 'heroism' is interesting, Mal says something very similar in Firefly about a hero being someone who has somebody else die for their cause. I wonder if Joss watched Blakes 7 when he was attending school in the UK?

Each to their own and Dolhouse is a very good series. You should really finish off your Buffy/Angel rewatch though, the DVDs must be pretty much a bargain by now

 

[Starkers]

I don't think Avon ever became an idealist, he went looking for Blake as a figurehead to unite the anti Federation alliance, but he clearly intended to be the power behind the throne. "Idealism is a wonderful thing, so long as you have someone rational to put it to good use."

And the anti-Federation allinace was basically a bust once Zukan was gone, Avon and co had the antidote to the mind control drug (although I think it only worked as a preventative, I don't think you could cure someone already doped) but they needed the resources of Betaphile to produce it, which they seemed unlikely to get.

The Federation was far from finished, that's why Avon went looking for Blake, to reforge the alliance, somehow I think he'd have quite liked the universe to collapse into chaos, he was never concerned about people's freedoms, he was just tired of having to run from the Federation.

 

[Sindatur]

It'll be a very long time before I get to Buffy again. Currently watching S2 of War of the Worlds Series (season 1 is better). I also have Space Precinct (only seen a couple eps when it aired) and Space: Above and Beyond waiting, dying to watch my Blake's 7 set (it'll be next) and I'm hungry for another run through B5 and Farscape (So much SciFi, so little time )

 

[Skellington]

So, yea, I'm the sole Dollhouse Favorite vote (Heh, I notice it's the only one with italics in the Poll, prejudice? )

Nope, it's in italics because it's the one that you chose. For me, Buffy is italicised.

 

[Sindatur]

So, yea, I'm the sole Dollhouse Favorite vote (Heh, I notice it's the only one with italics in the Poll, prejudice? )

Nope, it's in italics because it's the one that you chose. For me, Buffy is italicised.

Ah, nifty trick, hadn't noticed that with the other polls, thanks.

 

[Starkers]

So, yea, I'm the sole Dollhouse Favorite vote (Heh, I notice it's the only one with italics in the Poll, prejudice? )

Nope, it's in italics because it's the one that you chose. For me, Buffy is italicised.

Ah, nifty trick, hadn't noticed that with the other polls, thanks.

I never knew it did that either!

 

[Satyrquaze]

1. Firefly
2. Angel
3. Buffy
4. Dollhouse

 

[Deckerd]

As usual, the posts are almost completely at odds with the poll. This happens all the time.

 

[Vendikarr]

The way I rank 'em -

Angel
Firefly/Serenity
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Dollhouse

Me too!!

 

[Satyrquaze]

As usual, the posts are almost completely at odds with the poll. This happens all the time.

Well, at least the pollsters have taste.

 

[saturn5]

I don't think Avon ever became an idealist, he went looking for Blake as a figurehead to unite the anti Federation alliance, but he clearly intended to be the power behind the throne. "Idealism is a wonderful thing, so long as you have someone rational to put it to good use."

And the anti-Federation allinace was basically a bust once Zukan was gone, Avon and co had the antidote to the mind control drug (although I think it only worked as a preventative, I don't think you could cure someone already doped) but they needed the resources of Betaphile to produce it, which they seemed unlikely to get.

The Federation was far from finished, that's why Avon went looking for Blake, to reforge the alliance, somehow I think he'd have quite liked the universe to collapse into chaos, he was never concerned about people's freedoms, he was just tired of having to run from the Federation.

No, the pacification drug they use isn't permanent, it needs to be refreshed from time to time, so dope people with the cure and the Federation has millions of angry people and nowhere near enough troops to manage them all. They give the cure to the other delegates, if Zukon is gone it hardly matters that much?