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Favourite Joss Whedon show?

Best Whedon show?

  • Buffy

    Votes: 21 20.4%
  • Angel

    Votes: 21 20.4%
  • Dollhouse

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • Firefly

    Votes: 59 57.3%

  • Total voters
    103
I voted Buffy. I really don't want to get into why, as I post quite frequently about the show in these forums. I like that Buffy covers a lot of what your average person goes through in their lives through high school, college and into adult life but with the added bonus of the supernatural. It was really one of the first shows to do that and without it, I don't think we'd have shows like Twilight, True Blood, The Vampire Diaries (for better or worse). I like that the show's supporting cast was extremely fleshed out by the end. I loved the well written friendship between Buffy, Willow and Xander. I thought that Buffy and Giles was the best example of a father/daughter relationship ever on television. And I thought the writing was great for the most part through out.

I liked Angel and Firefly too, although I am reluctant to mention Firefly in this capacity. I feel like the reason it's so popular is because it's all fond memories. The show did not have a chance to get bad for all we know it could have dropped off in quality dirastically after those first 13 episodes. To, me the sample size is way too low to make sweeping judgements about the series.
 
Firefly and Dollhouse. I never could get into Buffy or Angel. I tried but I just found them boring. I couldn't connect with any of the characters.
 
Angel, then Buffy then Firefly. Never seen Dollhouse.

Angel, s4 aside, was pretty damn near perfect, and gains points for three things (even above and byond anything else)

1. Making Wesley the coolest man in the universe!
2. Presenting us with the Cordelia/Angel romance and have it make so much more sense than Angel/Buffy.
3. The final episode, and the final scene. Frankly if it wasn't for the last scene of Blakes 7 or Babylon 5 that'd be the greatest end to a series ever!

Buffy just went on too long, and I kinda stopped cared as much once we hit season 5 and it got so damn depressing! The final season picked up a bit.

Firefly, I dunno. I think I'm hamstrung by the fact that I didn't see it originally, so by the time I did so many people had claimed it was the Best Series Ever (tm) that it couldn't hope to live up to expectations. Great cast, but it never quite felt dramatic enough, I realise our heroes will usually never be in actual danger, but too many episodes of FF had quick resolve endings that drained any drama out of the show. Strangely I love the film though! I only like the series.

You liked the end of the Blakes7?:eek::wtf: I cried for weeks!

Interesting results, especially given that Firefly is so short compared to the others, even Dollhouse nearly twice as long in terms of onscreen time. Perhaps it should be expected for a Star Trek board that a show about a spaceship in the future would be so popular?
And yes the later seasons of Buffy are undervalued, season 7 in particular one of my favourites
 
Firefly would probably be at the top of my list if there was more of it, but as it is, I have to go with Angel.
I feel the same way, other than going with Buffy as my favourite. Had FF continued at a similar quality level I'm pretty certain it would've superceded the slayer.
 
Seen this type of thread so many times now I can't be bothered explaining anymore

Indeed... I think the very first post I ever made here was in a "What's your favourite Whedon show?" thread. :lol:

Me, I like Angel best, followed closely by Buffy, and then Firefly. All three are great shows, IMO.

Never seen any episodes of Dollhouse, so I can't really include it in the list.
 
Firefly by a wide margin. Angel by a nose over Buffy - but probably largely because I saw Buffy years after I was the target demographic. Honestly, neither Gellar or Boreanaz ever really struck my fancy as actors - but great supporting casts helped a lot. I can appreciate Buffy for its influence, but Firefly had an originality I don't think any of his other stuff ever touched.
 
1. Buffy - quite possibly my favorite show OF ALL TIME!
2. Angel
3. Firefly
4. Dollhouse

I love Buffy, Angel and Firefly. Angel would probably be ranked below Firefly, except that I have trouble putting a show that ran 110 episodes below one that only lasted 13. Firefly ultimately did not explore its universe to nearly the same extent as BtVS and Ats, and I feel like I would be extrapolating potential rather than evaluating what actually was on the screen if I were to rank it above those two. That said, Firefly certainly had the strongest start of the shows. Also, Buffy has been far more influential in terms of how it shaped television than any of the others and it deserves props for that.

Dollhouse gets as bum rap here - I think it was stronger than a lot of other people seem to think, but it's definitely the weakest of the Whedons.
 
I can appreciate Buffy for its influence, but Firefly had an originality I don't think any of his other stuff ever touched.

How come you think Firefly was more original than Buffy? I'm no authority, but I can't really think of a show prior to Buffy with a similar format. I liked Firefly, but I don't really see how it's that different from Blake's 7, Farscape or, indeed, Andromeda.
 
lol @ the lone Dollhouse vote xD
Not really, it's only like saying on here, which do you think is best-
The Dark Knight
Back to the Future
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Hellboy 2



I doubt Hellboy 2 is gonna get a lot of votes in that, but it doesn't mean it's terrible
 
lol @ the lone Dollhouse vote xD
Not really, it's only like saying on here, which do you think is best-
The Dark Knight
Back to the Future
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Hellboy 2



I doubt Hellboy 2 is gonna get a lot of votes in that, but it doesn't mean it's terrible
You know what? I'll take Hellboy 2 over The Dark Knight any time ...:)
 
lol @ the lone Dollhouse vote xD
Not really, it's only like saying on here, which do you think is best-
The Dark Knight
Back to the Future
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Hellboy 2



I doubt Hellboy 2 is gonna get a lot of votes in that, but it doesn't mean it's terrible
You know what? I'll take Hellboy 2 over The Dark Knight any time ...:)
Yea, it'd be interesting to see if the Poll looked the same, if the question was "Which do you like least." Especially if you add in the caveat, that if you haven't seen Dollhouse (or something else), you can't choose it to be liked least
 
How come you think Firefly was more original than Buffy? I'm no authority, but I can't really think of a show prior to Buffy with a similar format. I liked Firefly, but I don't really see how it's that different from Blake's 7, Farscape or, indeed, Andromeda.

Buffy was original largely in two areas: 1) ass-kicking chick, an idea whose time had simply come for, as we all know, there were several of these who popped up around the same time as Buffy and 2) characters conscious of the genre they were in. Most of what is really original about Buffy is in this second area and it's a sort of schtick that once you've gotten it and gone, "Heh - that's pretty funny", it doesn't lend a lot of originality to the storytelling. It's a tone thing, not a narrative thing. Buffy proceeds on a pretty basic hero versus villain formula, complete with sidekicks, mentor, etc. I was more often struck with how much Buffy was a straight translation of a comic book superhero to a tv show than with how original it was. Though it's tone became wildly influential to the point that it's nearly inescapable now.

Firefly, on the other hand, was original for its innovative and out-front blending of the western and SF genres, for its conception of a future "humans in space sans aliens", for its half-hearted but still noteworthy attempt at conceiving of a human future that wasn't essentially totally American/ Western culturally, and for it's humor (which, I'll grant, Farscape had on a similar level if somewhat different in tone). Unlike Farscape and Blake's 7, Firefly's crew were outlaws - but completely un-noteworthy ones, with the exception of River. Where Farscape had an exiled prince, a couple of amazing warriors, an extraordinary mystic, etc, and Blake's 7 had a crew led by a revolutionary freedom fighter in an advanced ship - Firefly's crew weren't particularly effective at anything except surviving, scraping along in a rattletrap ship, scavenging and stealing and generally not being involved in momentous events. That's a fairly unusual set of heroes for an SF tv series.
 
I saw Firefly before any of the other Whedon shows and thought it was spectacular, so it'll always be close to my TV-watching heart...but I've since seen all his shows, and damn it Angel is such a good series! I'd have to rank them now about like

1. Angel
2. Firefly
3. Buffy
4. Dollhouse

Buffy is still a wonderful show, but Firefly has that WOW factor even in its half-season glory. Buffy is the better show because it was able to expand and go to more awesome places, but Firefly just "got it" from the start of its run. Call them a tie for 2/3 if you want.

I also want to mention that even though Dollhouse is last on the list, it was still a really cool show, and I enjoyed where it went, even if the last several episodes were like 6 seasons of show in one half-season. "Last" on a Whedon show list is not bad at all.
 
Firefly, on the other hand, was original for its innovative and out-front blending of the western and SF genres,

It was more explicit about the western elements than most, but western influences are pretty common in sci-fi TV and films. Star Wars is one obvious example (irrelevantly, I thought Firefly was generally at its best when the western elements were more in the background).

for its conception of a future "humans in space sans aliens",
That is different from most previous space operas (although, Red Dwarf didn't have aliens if I recall correctly), but to me that's more a matter of trappings than anything else - I don't think it made the stories work that much differently from other comparable series.

Unlike Farscape and Blake's 7, Firefly's crew were outlaws - but completely un-noteworthy ones, with the exception of River. Where Farscape had an exiled prince, a couple of amazing warriors, an extraordinary mystic, etc, and Blake's 7 had a crew led by a revolutionary freedom fighter in an advanced ship - Firefly's crew weren't particularly effective at anything except surviving, scraping along in a rattletrap ship, scavenging and stealing and generally not being involved in momentous events. That's a fairly unusual set of heroes for an SF tv series.
It's a bit different, but still in the tradition of characters such as Avon, Vila and Jenna Stannis and don't you think Mal, Zoe and Jayne could have given D'Argo and Aeryn a run for their money? They might not have won, but still... Besides, they certainly were involved in momentous events in the film.

Don't get me wrong, I can see where you're coming from and I do think Firefly had enough of its own vibe to make it distinctive, but I don't think its formula was as original as Buffy's. I'd never seen a TV series before that mixed action/horror with teen/young adult drama. I think Firefly slotted in a lot more easily to an established genre.
 
IMHO Firefly is the best Sci Fi show since DS9 and the feature film is excellent as well. #1 for me all the way!
 
It was more explicit about the western elements than most, but western influences are pretty common in sci-fi TV and films. Star Wars is one obvious example (irrelevantly, I thought Firefly was generally at its best when the western elements were more in the background).

Star Wars never struck me as being all that Western-influenced, though I've heard the argument made before. Except for Han Solo's gun belt (which is as much Buck Rogers as Western), I don't really see it. But then I've never tried to either.

Certainly SF space adventure has always had elements of Western themes cloaked in spaceships, but what I thought was pretty brilliant about Firefly was drawing a line under it and pushing it right to the forefront, letting them do really fun and innovative storytelling.

for its conception of a future "humans in space sans aliens",
That is different from most previous space operas (although, Red Dwarf didn't have aliens if I recall correctly), but to me that's more a matter of trappings than anything else - I don't think it made the stories work that much differently from other comparable series.

Red Dwarf, I think, is minimally SF. It's British comedy with an SF premise, but much more comedy than space opera. And a cat become human is as alien as anyone from Alpha Centauri. Non-alien futures in space are common enough in written SF, but fairly unusual in TV.

It's a bit different, but still in the tradition of characters such as Avon, Vila and Jenna Stannis and don't you think Mal, Zoe and Jayne could have given D'Argo and Aeryn a run for their money? They might not have won, but still... Besides, they certainly were involved in momentous events in the film.

I wasn't really counting the film since the question was "what was your favorite Whedon show?" And, no, I don't think Mal, Zoe and Jayne could give D'Argo and Aeryn a run for their money. I think Mal, Zoe and Jayne would have run for their money if they saw D'Argo and Aeryn coming. Jayne was strong, but stupid, Mal was smart but not really a fighter. Zoe and Aeryn might have had a throw down for two minutes or so, but then Zoe would take the better part of valor and vamoose.

As for Avon, Vila and Jenna Stanis, I must admit to being only minimally familiar with Blake's 7. The main difference to me seems to be that Blake's 7 was more of a straight heroic freedom fighter versus totalitarian oppressors - a pretty standard trope of heroic SF, whereas Firefly was more the motley crew model. If the show hadn't been prematurely cancelled I think the crew would have muddled about on their little adventures for quite some time before becoming involved in the momentous events outlined in Serenity - and those events, spread out, would have seemed a lot less momentous. As it was, no one was out to change the course of history or free anyone from oppression - they were always just trying to survive. That's a common trope in a lot of fiction, just not SF TV.

Don't get me wrong, I can see where you're coming from and I do think Firefly had enough of its own vibe to make it distinctive, but I don't think its formula was as original as Buffy's. I'd never seen a TV series before that mixed action/horror with teen/young adult drama. I think Firefly slotted in a lot more easily to an established genre.

I hear you, my friend. You're probably right that Buffy's horror/ teen angst combo was original - but I'm too familiar with superheroes to see past how much the show lifted straight from that genre with absolutely no alteration. But Whedon's at his best when he's doing that sort of post-modern genre-mixing. Like I said, Buffy missed striking a chord with me because I saw it when I was in my late 30s. If I'd seen it in high school or college it probably would have resonated a lot more. And it occured to me that the movie Scream, which did a lot of the same things as Buffy - everyone conscious of being in a horror movie, horror/ teen angst combo, preceded Buffy by a year.
 
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