Your right, now that i look at it, i shouldn't have been going from the Bridge commander game.
Same impulse engine design.
War nacelles.
But i still say that its a good ship, but to me it doesn't really remind me of the enterprise line.
Favorite U.S.S. Enterprise starship design?
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Your right, now that i look at it, i shouldn't have been going from the Bridge commander game.
Same impulse engine design.
War nacelles.
But i still say that its a good ship, but to me it doesn't really remind me of the enterprise line.
I apologize for this question, for I mean no disrespect.
I'm curious: why is it that so many people (and not just in this thread) like TMP refit best?
Again, nothing against it, but I just don't understand why it seems to be *by far* the most popular.
Can anyone help answer this for me?
I'm curious: why is it that so many people (and not just in this thread) like TMP refit best?
Again, nothing against it, but I just don't understand why it seems to be *by far* the most popular.
Can anyone help answer this for me?
^^^ I have to say it is the almost perfect balance of elements that attracts me. The Refit maintains the basic Starfleet configuration while finding a way to marry everything together seamlessly. She also looks graceful and elegant at a distance but a massive presence with some muscle close-up.
I also love how they borrowed elements from classic cars for her details. Combining the aspects of the original television design with those classic familiar pieces make her feel warm and comfortable to me.
(Speaking of balance, one of the reasons I am not to fond of the latest version of the Enterprise is that she is out-of-balance. If the nacelles weren't so over-sized to the rest of the ship I would like her better. She has a lot of elements I really like though. But again, finding the right balance is a crucial key in my favoring a design.)
I also love how they borrowed elements from classic cars for her details. Combining the aspects of the original television design with those classic familiar pieces make her feel warm and comfortable to me.
(Speaking of balance, one of the reasons I am not to fond of the latest version of the Enterprise is that she is out-of-balance. If the nacelles weren't so over-sized to the rest of the ship I would like her better. She has a lot of elements I really like though. But again, finding the right balance is a crucial key in my favoring a design.)
Absolutely agree, just watch the Star Trek:TMP early scene of Scotty and Admiral Kirk in a Travel Pod getting a prolonged fly around inspection of the 1701-Refit in drydock in Earth orbit.
Thanks, guys.
I guess one of the reasons I found it odd is that TMP is usually not one of the more well-liked movies (though for some reason, it's my favorite even though I've never seen much TOS.) Thus, I surmised its popularity was not due to nostalgia or familiarity: we didn't even see it much.
It was just in TMP and destroyed in TWoK, right? In TTFS and TVH the main ship the BoP "HMS Bounty"? Did we not ever see the refit again? Or was it rebuilt for TFF and TUC?
And this is a little off-topic, but is it true the FX in TMP were a lot better than the following movies until ST:G? Could that be the reason why TMP refit looked as realistic as it did? (ie, bigger budget and longer development time when you factor in the aborted Phase II; we didn't get a big-budget/movie-quality/high-detailed Enterprise again until the E in FC. ?)
Thanks again.
I guess one of the reasons I found it odd is that TMP is usually not one of the more well-liked movies (though for some reason, it's my favorite even though I've never seen much TOS.) Thus, I surmised its popularity was not due to nostalgia or familiarity: we didn't even see it much.
It was just in TMP and destroyed in TWoK, right? In TTFS and TVH the main ship the BoP "HMS Bounty"? Did we not ever see the refit again? Or was it rebuilt for TFF and TUC?
And this is a little off-topic, but is it true the FX in TMP were a lot better than the following movies until ST:G? Could that be the reason why TMP refit looked as realistic as it did? (ie, bigger budget and longer development time when you factor in the aborted Phase II; we didn't get a big-budget/movie-quality/high-detailed Enterprise again until the E in FC. ?)
Thanks again.
^ It was definitely a bigger budget. Add in the fact they also manage to put together a group of amazing artists, craftsmen and photographers, things become almost serendipitous.
And TMP's special effects looked different from the rest because of the techniques used. From TWoK until TVH, the effects were done by ILM. Their compositing and optical printers required a different lighting set-up that did not favor the Refit model's paint job. (Generations was the first Trek film that used digital compositing so lighting was no longer a factor.)
And TMP's special effects looked different from the rest because of the techniques used. From TWoK until TVH, the effects were done by ILM. Their compositing and optical printers required a different lighting set-up that did not favor the Refit model's paint job. (Generations was the first Trek film that used digital compositing so lighting was no longer a factor.)
TMP did have the best effects and it even had some issues in places. If I understand correctly there was a huge difference in filming the models in TMP compared to what ILM did. Doug Truball filmed the models against a black screen and also used a very small diameter lens on an extension for close up shots of the Enterprise. ILM used a blue screen and that caused headaches because of the pearlescent nature of the paint job on the Enterprise which they had to dull.
TVH and TFF used the same filming model just marked for the A. Different ship in universe same filming mode.
1701-Refit was in TMP, WOK, SFS. In Search For Spock, Kirk used auto destructed and destroyed it. In the finale of VH, we see the 1701-A (same as the 1701-Refit), FF and it's last movie appearance UC.
Siato S brilliant gallery of Ambassador class 1701-C convinces me that there should have been a series or movie featuring that starship. NG "Yesterday's Enterprise" was not enough.
I agree 100%, they should have shown a movie about it disappearance, or made a TV show about it. Now it would be a bit hard to find the same characters and have them look as young as they did in TNG to make a movie now or show.
My favorite is TMP design despite that i have issues with fragile neck and pylons. It was beautiful designed and well balanced. I dont care less about Enterprise B or C. My thoughts on Enterprise D is that it is good design but the saucer was 10-15% too big and the nacelles should have been 10-15% longer.
However my second favorite Enterprise design is Enterprise E. It is probably most realistic design ever in my opinion. It look sleek and well balanced ship. But i have some issue with it. The impulse engines is to big plus the fact that the nacelles are in the way. Also the underbelly of the saucer shows to much details and kewl. I would have preferred smilier underbelly design as Voyager http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/26oinc8fisvvb/4hoz4h/voyager-bottom.jpg
My thoughts on NuTrek Enterprise is that i love the neck design as it is a lot thicker then the orginal/Refit. However the nacelles are just too BIGGG. Even Zimmerman and wast majority of trek fans are in one voice in this matter. I really hope Scott Chambliss makes some adjustment on nacelles size for next Star Trek movie.
So overall Enterprise-Refit and Enterprise-E are my favorites.
However my second favorite Enterprise design is Enterprise E. It is probably most realistic design ever in my opinion. It look sleek and well balanced ship. But i have some issue with it. The impulse engines is to big plus the fact that the nacelles are in the way. Also the underbelly of the saucer shows to much details and kewl. I would have preferred smilier underbelly design as Voyager http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/26oinc8fisvvb/4hoz4h/voyager-bottom.jpg
My thoughts on NuTrek Enterprise is that i love the neck design as it is a lot thicker then the orginal/Refit. However the nacelles are just too BIGGG. Even Zimmerman and wast majority of trek fans are in one voice in this matter. I really hope Scott Chambliss makes some adjustment on nacelles size for next Star Trek movie.
So overall Enterprise-Refit and Enterprise-E are my favorites.
The refit is indeed my favorite as well, for all the previously mentioned reasons. Whereas the other models have become dated to some extent, betraying the decade that spawned them, I see nothing about the TMP model that couldn't have been used even in the latest Star Trek to good, convincing, stylistically fitting effect.
I do like the original enterprise because that really showed the power of the federation and it really started the whole thing. However, I have to say that the original design up to TNG is just mis shaped. The neck is far to skinny for the big bottom. The thing that always bothered me was the top part where instead of being round, the hull pointed up at the end.
This.
The Enterprise-D is hands down my favorite. It's the most graceful looking of the lot.
Least favorite - Tie between Enterprise-E and NuEnterprise.
