Favorite things about TNG
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Like a pale xerox copy with fart jokes.
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"The Orville" did it, but it is influenced directly by TNG writers and it's not 100% the same either.
Still, shows set new trends, innovate, or borrow established ones. There's no way "never" can't be done. Unless never can be done, in which case those are two rules that get paradoxically broken...
No it’s in season 4 Episode 10 it’s called “The Loss”
Wasn't that in an episode of "The Orville"?
Eek! That's right; I forgot about that completely... My opinion of "Orville" just went down a bit. Granted, I still say "Orville" did the 2D concept a lot better (it's certainly a more memorable episode), so at least it didn't go down a byte...
Some were done well and I disliked the episodes that copied the most while innovating the least. The one with the civilization in the asteroid being the worst but I was impressed with the 2D episode until DataLore3.0 reminded me of *shudder* "The Loss". Though Orville did do the same theme better, but this isn't the Pete Burns vs Boy George argument where the latter said he did the same style better. All art is subjective.
The fart jokes weren't as many, far fewer - that was a pleasant surprise.
It has so many Trek alum on the show that a xerox copy is unavoidable. There still is some innovation and I do like it (the Kaylon being an updated Cylon was a robust twist... the practical joke episode... the 2D episode and how they got there and experienced it is still a lot more cool than TNG's snoozefest, etc), but each time I see more of Trek in there the innovations I also see start to pale. It's small universe syndrome sold in a different labeled-bottle. It works better as the show is (or was) a parody, but the more it becomes po-faced sci-fi without the parody trappings the more it will be seen as a true knock-off. Comedy adds an entirely different dimension making it all easier to buy into. Especially as I was sold on the characters early on.
Exactly how it is for me.
Seems like a lot of older shows ( from that time period and before probably) are like that.
Escapism from work, family issues, bills, medical, etc.
I don't watch any newer shows. I've tried, but just can't do it.
The holodeck
1) The Ship. Always had a soft spot for the Enterprise D, and I'm not surprised that a peace time ship set out to explore the galaxy for maybe decades should be comfortable.
2) The Cast. I'm not sure if this is my favorite Star Trek cast (The DS9 cast was amazing) but it's the one I grew up with.
3) The wondrous curiosity. Not sure how to describe it, but there was a curiosity to TNG that I really liked, summed up nicely by Q's "The Unknown possibilities of existence" speech. I think most of that came from Data, but when you have episodes like the 2 dimensional creatures, the Galaxy's Child alien, and a few others, it was interesting.
4) How they dealt with mental and physical disabilities. The more I think about the short trek about Edward, the more I really hate it because of how TNG handled people with disabilities. In the Edward episode, he was just used as comic relief and scorn. In TNG, yeah Reg got Bullied, but people slowly came around to liking him and respecting him as a member of the team. Yeah change doesn't happen over night, but this felt really realistic to me in a very Star Trek way.
2) The Cast. I'm not sure if this is my favorite Star Trek cast (The DS9 cast was amazing) but it's the one I grew up with.
3) The wondrous curiosity. Not sure how to describe it, but there was a curiosity to TNG that I really liked, summed up nicely by Q's "The Unknown possibilities of existence" speech. I think most of that came from Data, but when you have episodes like the 2 dimensional creatures, the Galaxy's Child alien, and a few others, it was interesting.
4) How they dealt with mental and physical disabilities. The more I think about the short trek about Edward, the more I really hate it because of how TNG handled people with disabilities. In the Edward episode, he was just used as comic relief and scorn. In TNG, yeah Reg got Bullied, but people slowly came around to liking him and respecting him as a member of the team. Yeah change doesn't happen over night, but this felt really realistic to me in a very Star Trek way.
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Yep! Everything about Patrick Stewart's contributions to the series, he's everything I felt about Avery Brooks on DS9*, a strong man with convincing and passionate ethics. You just can't break these symbolic heroes; their personal heft in comprehensive linguistics and knowledge of their history and their Republic makes them people I root for. Captain Picard was a champion of wisdom which I don't see too much in other main characters in any TV series these days.
*DS9 season 1 thru season 3!
Definately, she was a beautiful ship and should definately have survived beyond Generations. She should also have taken out Duras sisters' Bird of Prey a lot sooner in the movie.
About the discussion above and Enterprise-D.
The ship wasn't a character but a huge ingredient of what TNG is. When it comes to the movies, maybe there was too much effort trying to separate the series from the movies. It started with changing the sets for 'Generations' and then crashing the ship and replacing the D with a new (ugly) ship. No, just no. TNG changed too much visually and got dark like very many things on TV today.
The ship wasn't a character but a huge ingredient of what TNG is. When it comes to the movies, maybe there was too much effort trying to separate the series from the movies. It started with changing the sets for 'Generations' and then crashing the ship and replacing the D with a new (ugly) ship. No, just no. TNG changed too much visually and got dark like very many things on TV today.
One is my name. The other is not.
The E-D, without a doubt. And the shows general 'talk first, maybe shoot later if the talking doesn't go too well' approach to conflict. And the occassional, gentle humour.
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