Fate of the assimilated Enterprise -E crew

[ConRefit79]

It appears that when the Borg queen dies in First Contact, she takes the other Borg with her. But I'm wondering if the Enterprise crew that was assimilated met the same fate. Seems like they spent less time in the collective than Picard. I wonder if some of them survived.

 

[Mage]

Doubtfull. The abrupt death of the Queen seemed to somehow shortcircuit what drones were left. So I'm asuming they died.

 

[Timo]

Picard himself seemed quite convinced that his crew was beyond rescue. Did he change his mind after the excitement was over? Even if the Queen's death spasms merely stunned the Drones, perhaps nothing could have been done.

Which poses a chilling question: what would be done with the now helpless but still very much alive Drones? A couple of hundred experimental surgeries, some resulting in semi-recovering Sevens of Nine, others in human-looking empty shells or worse? A shipment in the general direction of Delta? Mass euthanasia?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ConRefit79]

Well, if you go by what happens with separated Borg in Voyager, Borg assimilated as adults appear to be able to recover their individuality. Initially I was thinking Locutus & Seven were special. But when you thing about the Borg they find in Necrid Expanse as well as the 3 who crashland with Seven a few years earlier, they can regain their minds.

 

[Timo]

...And then use their newfound freedom to return to the Collective, or go mad trying. How would the Federation deal with such cases?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ConRefit79]

...And then use their newfound freedom to return to the Collective, or go mad trying. How would the Federation deal with such cases?

Timo Saloniemi

Only Seven wanted to return to the Collective. The ones in the Necrid Expanse only wanted to link to bridge the divide and stop the attacks from the other freed drones.

But all that was established after First Contact.

 

[T'Girl]

The Borg who were in the Regeneration alcoves looked like they took a heavy hit, and the ones on the engineering floor would of had their flesh dissolved, but the drones elsewhere in the ship probably were just left disconnected from the collective.

In a state much like Picard was when he told Data "sleep."

The assimilated Enterprise crew would be looking forward to some surgery and a lifetime of bad memories. The freed Borg drones brought from the future would be a different story, it would be a case by case issue. Many of them might still be dangerous.

Like Seven of Nine, Stockholm syndrome.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Doubtfull. The abrupt death of the Queen seemed to somehow shortcircuit what drones were left. So I'm asuming they died.

Yeah, as the Borg Queen was dissolving, we see the other Borg twitching and dying. I assumed this extended to all Borg throughout the ship, even the ones that weren't regenerating.

And, IIRC, there were only a few drones that initially beamed over to the ship. So pretty much ALL of them were assimilated crew members.

 

[Saul]

Maybe some survived. The borg that crashed in the arctic were still functioning in the 'Enterprise' era.

 

[MickJo1701]

Very interesting question, back when the film was first released I was hoping for a post-FC novel which addresses what happened to the Drones and assimilated Enterprise crew who survived the Queens death and were now disconnected from the Hive, the issue of de-borgifying the Enterprise (how long she would be in drydock, how extensive the alterations were and the dangers of screwing with Borg technology etc.) and also potentially an inquiry from the Department of Temporal Investigations.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The borg that crashed in the arctic were still functioning in the 'Enterprise' era.

But those drones were not connected to the queen that was established on the Enterprise. In fact I believe they crashed and went into 'hibernation' before that particular queen was ever created.

 

[Saul]

At the time I was under the impression that the entire collective was connected to her and were severely damaged if not destroyed due to her lack of presence. I thought what happened to those Borg on the enterprise was happening to all Borg.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ If that were true, then the entire collective would have been destroyed in 2063, and that is clearly not the case...

 

[Timo]

We have very little knowledge of the "reach" of the Queen, but we do get clues: she can whisper to Picard across starship-to-starship distances, and perhaps meddle with his dreams across great interstellar distances, but can't talk to the 21st century Collective without that interplexing beacon thing (which she may have had access to back when bothering Picard in his sleep, mind you). And Picard probably has poor reception for a Drone, what with not having macroscopic subspace receivers inside his skull (unless those were recently assembled by the nanites in his blood that nobody noticed or at least could remove).

Even the ability to talk to Picard during the battle above 24th century Earth should then probably imply connectivity with the folks down there in the Arctic. But the Queen's death spasms might have a qualitatively or quantitatively different effect on hibernating or "temporarily dead" Drones than on active and living ones, even in circumstances of identical connectivity.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[T'Girl]

^ But why would the Queen whisper in Jean Luc's ear as to where the attacking cube's weak spot was? I think the whispering voices that Picard kept hearing were from Borg equipment that Crusher couldn't remove, just as the EMH couldn't remove everything from Seven.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think the whispering voices that Picard kept hearing were from Borg equipment that Crusher couldn't remove

Yeah, that's what I always thought as well. We just heard a babble of Borgspeak, nothing more than that.

 

[Terok Nor]

I always thought Picard's insistence that assimilated crew members were beyond saving was bull since he himself was Locutus of Borg and he managed to be saved. Not forgetting Hugh and the freed Borg from Descent. That's without even mentioning Seven Of Nine and the other freed Borg from Voyager who had not been created by the writers at that point.

I guess it can be explained away by the limited time the crew had to stop the Borg from altering the timeline and the sheer amount of drones they had to deal with. In other circumtances Picard might have tried to free the assimilated crew members.

 

[ConRefit79]

Very interesting question, back when the film was first released I was hoping for a post-FC novel which addresses what happened to the Drones and assimilated Enterprise crew who survived the Queens death and were now disconnected from the Hive, the issue of de-borgifying the Enterprise (how long she would be in drydock, how extensive the alterations were and the dangers of screwing with Borg technology etc.) and also potentially an inquiry from the Department of Temporal Investigations.

Interesting point about removing Borg tech from E-E. I recall both Voyager and NX01 having serious trouble removing Borg equipment. As for Nanites, I wonder if a total transfusion could remove them

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I always thought Picard's insistence that assimilated crew members were beyond saving was bull since he himself was Locutus of Borg and he managed to be saved. Not forgetting Hugh and the freed Borg from Descent. That's without even mentioning Seven Of Nine and the other freed Borg from Voyager who had not been created by the writers at that point.

Not too mention Data's Emotion Chip being a lot larger than it was in the series, something that RedLetter Media/Mr. Plinkett when they slam, er...'review' First Contact.

I chalk it up to the writers not being savvy on continuity.

 

[T'Girl]

I chalk it up to the writers not being savvy on continuity.

Or the props department.