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Fantastic Four reboot-- Casting, Rumors, Pix, ect;

Could be I've unfairly maligned urbandefault, if so my bad. Looking back I was conflating his views with RJ's -- at which the remark about certain cohorts was really aimed -- and letting past conversations influence that instinct.
 
If I can bring the topic back to the movie, I have to say that the cast is the thing that interests me most about this movie. All of the members of the main team are excellent actors in their own right and have a history of playing really high quality roles. That seems to be something that nobody has really discussed yet.
 
Ummmm...... what?
Post edited to say "biracial"...hadn't looked up the other term to see if it was PC.
I don't know about PC, but I think it was already sounding old fashion when your parents or possibly grandparents were young. :lol: Then again, maybe you're in your in your seventies, eighties or nineties. You are the Old Mixer after all. ;)

How "PC" it is depends on where you live in the world, I suppose. To me I've always heard it as a very questionable term to use as opposed to other terms that get across the meaning not only better but without almost sounding like a slur.

It may not strictly be a pejorative like many words are for certain groups (n-word, f-word, shortened form of "Japanese", a common slur of Jewish people (K-word), common slur for mentally challenged people (not the r-word. m-word) but it's hardly a common-use word and probably because it has bit of a stink to it and can be twisted poorly.
 
I'd like to thank everyone who provided so many examples of what I was talking about. :rommie:

"Unlike these damn kids today, I'm from the generation where we don't make superficial judgments of entire groups of people."
Here you go, this might help.

If you're going to change the concept, why not just create something new? The Incredible Hulk TV show was really very good, but it wasn't the Hulk-- they should have created a new character. Why have a character named Ichabod Crane who isn't Ichabod Crane and give no reference to the Washington Irving story (and I'm saying that about my current favorite show)?

Because this is the very definition of "timeless characters"? That they can be updated for the times and their stories told in a variety of ways?
Yeah, that can work sometimes with folk tales and stuff, but for contemporary works I'd rather see something new and creative.

Could be I've unfairly maligned urbandefault, if so my bad. Looking back I was conflating his views with RJ's -- at which the remark about certain cohorts was really aimed -- and letting past conversations influence that instinct.
Then you should explain. Exactly what are you accusing me of and why?
 
Then you should explain. Exactly what are you accusing me of and why?

BigJake said:
There is a certain cohort that professes to believe in "color-blindness" just like good old Doctor King said it until they actually have to be confronted with the fact that real "color-blindness" involves black people getting jobs that used to automatically go to white people. Then, for reasons which I'm sure are completely mysterious, "color-blindness" goes out the window and suddenly the world is ending and civilization is crumbling and the members of this cohort are moaning about being victims of a "new racism." This behaviour is not, despite what those indulging in its seem to think, all that difficult to read.

That's what I'm accusing you of.

RJDiogenes said:
I'm not sure how old you guys are, but I'm from the "people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" generation. The current generation seems to have turned that upside down; it's like they're trying to create a positive kind of racism, and that ain't gonna work.

And that's why.
 
This story by Canadian Journalist, Desmond Cole, shows how racism is still a major issue in North America (not just in some States in the U.S.).

http://www.torontolife.com/informer...im-ive-interrogated-police-50-times-im-black/

As long as this kind of thing is still happening, we are not living in a "colour-blind" world and we can't really pretend we are.

I think this says it all...

From the Article said:
Areas where black people live are heavily policed in the name of crime prevention, which opens up everyone in that neighbourhood to disproportionate scrutiny. We account for 9.3 per cent of Canadian prisoners, even though we only make up 2.9 per cent of the populace at large.
 
Yeah, that can work sometimes with folk tales and stuff, but for contemporary works I'd rather see something new and creative.
These "contemporary works" are modern folk tales, myths legends and fairy tales. The characters are eternal can be infinitely updated.
 
I have a question, and I'm asking this honestly, and I'm not trying to start another fight, but is a reason Johnny Storm has to be white?
There are a lot of characters where their race is a big part of their story, Black Panther for instance, or Kamala Khan to bring up a more recent example, but I wasn't sure if Johnny was one of those characters. Is there a specific reason people are upset other than that it's not how he looks in the comics?
 
I have a question, and I'm asking this honestly, and I'm not trying to start another fight, but is a reason Johnny Storm has to be white?
There are a lot of characters where their race is a big part of their story, Black Panther for instance, or Kamala Khan to bring up a more recent example, but I wasn't sure if Johnny was one of those characters. Is there a specific reason people are upset other than that it's not how he looks in the comics?
Nope
 
That was what I thought. I don't know the FF as well as other Marvel characters, so I thought maybe there was something I was missing.
 
Well, no - it's all CG effects.

Seriously, this is the epitome of a difference that makes no difference. In 1986 or so John Byrne decided that most of Superman's apparent powers - flying, super-strength, invulnerability - were "psionic" in nature, essentially mental powers.

And Superman kept flying, lifting buildings, and deflecting bullets with his chest.

Reed Richards keeps stretching. :lol:
 
I'm just sick of all this comic book-y fantasy. I want a Fantastic Four movie that's gritty and realistic. I want to see them get exposed to cosmic radiation and then spend the last hour of the movie dying in their hospital beds of cancer, examining their own mortality as their bodies waste away. But Hollywood isn't ready for that, are they!!!!
 
Well, no - it's all CG effects.

Seriously, this is the epitome of a difference that makes no difference.

Reed Richards keeps stretching. :lol:

I completely agree, but I suspect there is an actual plot reason behind this. It will connect Reed directly to the Negative Zone perhaps, and that will be a key element to the story.

ALSO OTHER DIFFERENCES THAT MADE NO DIFFERENCE PART I: Organic web shooters, the Joker using make-up instead of actually have white skin, Fury not being around in WWII, Jarvis being a robot, Mystique not having lived centuries prior to meeting the X-Men, The X-MEN never traveling to space.
 
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