And just exactly where did someone say "Code of Honor" was less egregious? Precisely nowhere, that's where. Obvious dodges atop obvious dodges.
Fans of the early TNG Ferengi?
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It would have been interesting to see DS9 put the early Ferengi in the context of the group's larger society. Perhaps the more aggressive and piratical ones would bring in too much profit to be shunned from it entirely, but that their more violent methods would still keep them at distance from the more trade focused businessmen like Quark.
I mean, there's an episode right there; him stuck working with (a more dignified & well-rounded) version of the early TNG style Ferengi. He would be put off by their lack of acumen in negotiation or long-term enterprises in profit, while they would look down on him for being another cowed salesman not having the lobes to take wealth directly for themselves like they do. I can easily imagine it set during the backdrop of the Dominion war, with the Marauder crew believing this is time to strike in contrast to Quark's more cautious outlook.
I mean, there's an episode right there; him stuck working with (a more dignified & well-rounded) version of the early TNG style Ferengi. He would be put off by their lack of acumen in negotiation or long-term enterprises in profit, while they would look down on him for being another cowed salesman not having the lobes to take wealth directly for themselves like they do. I can easily imagine it set during the backdrop of the Dominion war, with the Marauder crew believing this is time to strike in contrast to Quark's more cautious outlook.
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Apparently, the Bird wanted them to have enormous dongs, hence the giant codpiece.
Okay...thats news to me. WTF...was it with TNG era Roddenberry and wanting characters to have weird sexual features? I knew that he wanted Troi to have three breasts and it apperantly took the combined efforts of Berman and Braga to talk him out of that idea.
Braga wasn't on the show a that time.
No, it was DC Fontana who talked Roddenberry out of giving Troi four breasts.
I didn't hate the early Ferengi, but I did find them very lacking when it came to big bads. I don't know why the TNG creators thought they would be threatening, especially when TOS movies with Klingons like Kruge were still fresh in fans' minds.
That said, I thought their Marauders were some of the coolest Trek starships and I wish we had seen them in a movie. I also thought DaiMon Bok was quite good as a personal villain for Picard. I think they should've used Bok instead of the Duras sisters in Generations. I also wouldn't mind seeing Bok on ST: Picard.
That said, I thought their Marauders were some of the coolest Trek starships and I wish we had seen them in a movie. I also thought DaiMon Bok was quite good as a personal villain for Picard. I think they should've used Bok instead of the Duras sisters in Generations. I also wouldn't mind seeing Bok on ST: Picard.
^They could of course very well have been introduced as a menace of a different kind than the Klingons in TNG. In my view they should have been brought in as conniving, ruthless capitalists that will stop at nothing to earn money. The kind that is involved in anything as long as it makes money. Theft. Blackmail. Slave trade. Trade in biological weapons. Letting huge segments of planetary populations die off simply because they can't pay for food or for a cure to an infectious disease, and if they seem to lend out an altruistic helping hand, it turns out to be to exploit them ruthlessly later.
Not the silly whip brandishing cartoons we got.
Not the silly whip brandishing cartoons we got.
Enterprise showed that the energy whip could be fairly intimidating/formidable in the right hands (arguably, more so than a bat'leth).
I too loved the Marauder design (it harkened back to the Draconia from the '80's Buck Rogers television series.) However, it should have been used for someone else besides the Ferengi. It was way too menacing of a ship for them. If they really wanted the Ferengi to be the capitalists-in-a-moneyless-society culture that they were envisioned as, their ships should have more resembled the World Trade center towers, like the Tohoku class from Firefly:
https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Tohoku_Class
My problem with those Ferengi ships is that they look like the back part should be the front part and vice-versa.
Like that scene in TNG when we see that first Ferengi ship and it very slowly turns around to "face" the Enterprise?
To me it looked like the ship was turning its back to the Enterprise in order to run away.
I found their physical mannerisms rather silly in early TNG. It made them a little too comical and not so menacing like they were supposed to be.
Also, I've said it before elsewhere, but I wish the militaristic "marauder" type of Ferengi had appeared at least once or twice in DS9 (I mean besides Quark's action figures), to show that there were still different factions or whatever. That time when all the Ferengi came to the station for the conference in "The Nagus" would have been a good opportunity for that.
Kor
Also, I've said it before elsewhere, but I wish the militaristic "marauder" type of Ferengi had appeared at least once or twice in DS9 (I mean besides Quark's action figures), to show that there were still different factions or whatever. That time when all the Ferengi came to the station for the conference in "The Nagus" would have been a good opportunity for that.
Kor
AFAIK, Roddenberry got more and more like this with age. These days there’d be a name for it but I’m not sure if anyone took ideas like Sexual Addiction seriously back then.
Sometimes he’s just embarrassing to read about. What the fuck difference does it make if Ferengi have big dicks? And on what was essentially a family show, how could you do anything with it beyond childish ‘nudge-nudge, wink-wink’ stuff?
This kind of thing always exists within Roddenberry’s concepts, but it seems to have peaked during TNG times.
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To an extent it was deliberate. Other inspirations were Gordon Gekko, Shylock, and ancient Babylon. The point was to create a race of over-the-top capitalists.
Gene's idea was that the viewer should be tempted to envy the Ferengi. They have all the money, unclothed females, and, yes, big dicks. Herb Wright had to remind Roddenberry TNG was a "family show". (see interview in Cinefantastique 23, #2/3)
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my friends and i fondly refer to the ferengi's original appearance as "the attack of the cocaine ferengi". Glad they mellowed out later in tng but i do miss the hollering and capering.
How do you feel about the very first Ferengi (i.e., DaiMon Tarr)?
I wish they'd kept the idea that the fearless, badass, and ruthless killer Ferengi were pirates and folk heroes.
Basically, if you weren't a merchant, you became blackbeard.
Say what you will about the Daimons but they saw a Galaxy-class starship and every one of them went, "I can take them."
Basically, if you weren't a merchant, you became blackbeard.
Say what you will about the Daimons but they saw a Galaxy-class starship and every one of them went, "I can take them."