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Fan reactions to Starfleet Academy's female Jem'Hadar/Klingon hybrid character

Can we at least agree that the real-to-life drill Sergeant isn't "woke?"
Eh, it's a bad cliche of one anyway. As someone who went through the real thing in the USMC, it's usually eye rolling inducing from Hollywood productions and this one was no exception. The only one that was accurate was Full Metal Jacket and that's because R. Lee Ermey was an actual USMC DI.
 
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I wouldn't go that far.

I enjoyed her performance, but Ars Technica did write an article that discusses her character without bringing any of that stuff up.


From the article above:
I found the character rather... bad, but nothing to do with the actress. The concept isn't inconceivable that the genetic engineering could be undone, but extremely unlikely and hard to see why the Founders would ever justify the effort. Even if Odo did to the Dominion what DS9 said Spock did to the Mirror Empire (and just as likely the "drop became the ocean." The idea of Jem'Haddar 'lineage' is foreign to anything in DS9, so would all have been designed in the intervening centuries. Possibly they had the original source race hidden somewhere and it wasn't the Tosk like was commonly speculated.

The idea of Klingon hybrids goes against all that as well from Martok: "We don't embrace other cultures, we conquer them!"
 
The idea of Klingon hybrids goes against all that as well from Martok: "We don't embrace other cultures, we conquer them!"
Is that why we’ve seen Klingon hybrids so frequently? B'Elanna Torres, Miral Paris, K'Ehleyr, Alexander Rozhenko, Ba'el, Brota.

I really don’t understand why some viewers have such a hard time accepting that in 800 year the Jem’Hadar would change. In a universe where genetic resequencing seems to be trivially easy, why wouldn’t they just change their genetic makeup to make it possible for them to procreate? It’s really strange to me why that’s such an inconceivable thing to some.
 
Is that why we’ve seen Klingon hybrids so frequently? B'Elanna Torres, Miral Paris, K'Ehleyr, Alexander Rozhenko, Ba'el, Brota.

I really don’t understand why some viewers have such a hard time accepting that in 800 year the Jem’Hadar would change. In a universe where genetic resequencing seems to be trivially easy, why wouldn’t they just change their genetic makeup to make it possible for them to procreate? It’s really strange to me why that’s such an inconceivable thing to some.
It's extremely strange to me as well and seems more willing to take statements by characters absolute gospel truth then utilize imagination.
 
Is that why we’ve seen Klingon hybrids so frequently? B'Elanna Torres, Miral Paris, K'Ehleyr, Alexander Rozhenko, Ba'el, Brota.

K'Ehleyr didn't exactly embrace Klingon culture and consciously chose not raise Alexander that way. He was even more of an odd duck than Worf and while he was slowly coming around to conforming to a typical Klingon life, it's not be excluded that the future from Reunion doesn't still come to pass. B'elanna was the same way at the start of Voyager though was coming around towards the end but that doesn't mean the Empire or bulk of Klingons would have ever embraced her.

Individuals can always do their own thing, though, sure. Was the origin of the hybrids explained? Is it an Augment style experiment or random individual couplings like the examples from the Berman era?
 
I’m not sure what you’re arguing, to be honest. The point was that procreation with other species was somehow a very un-Klingon thing. I submit that the evidence suggest otherwise.

As for how Lura Thok came to be: I guess we’ll have to wait and see what she’ll reveal about that, but for right now I prefer to think that a Klingon lady named Asmaret met a handsome Jem’Hadar, they loved each other very much and then a few months later Lura Thok was born. ;)
 
I’m not sure what you’re arguing, to be honest. The point was that procreation with other species was somehow a very un-Klingon thing. I submit that the evidence suggest otherwise.
It's wasn't my argument, it was Sirella's as recounted by Martok to Worf.

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Individuals can always do their own thing, though, sure. Was the origin of the hybrids explained? Is it an Augment style experiment or random individual couplings like the examples from the Berman era?
It's only been two episodes and the character isn't even a lead. Gotta leave some stuff for "down the road".
 
It's wasn't my argument, it was Sirella's as recounted by Martok to Worf.

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Ah, I see. But yeah, as you said: “Individuals can always do their own thing”. I wouldn’t take what Martok is saying as any sort of generalized statement about what most Klingons think. Especially when we have another Klingon in the same scene vehemently disagreeing with his stance.
 
I’m not sure what you’re arguing, to be honest. The point was that procreation with other species was somehow a very un-Klingon thing. I submit that the evidence suggest otherwise.

As for how Lura Thok came to be: I guess we’ll have to wait and see what she’ll reveal about that, but for right now I prefer to think that a Klingon lady named Asmaret met a handsome Jem’Hadar, they loved each other very much and then a few months later Lura Thok was born. ;)
Well... Given one's a Klingon and one's a Jem'Hadar they almost surely met while trying to either kill each other or someone else...

Probably fought...

And then ended up sleeping together.
 
I’m not sure what you’re arguing, to be honest. The point was that procreation with other species was somehow a very un-Klingon thing. I submit that the evidence suggest otherwise.

As for how Lura Thok came to be: I guess we’ll have to wait and see what she’ll reveal about that, but for right now I prefer to think that a Klingon lady named Asmaret met a handsome Jem’Hadar, they loved each other very much and then a few months later Lura Thok was born. ;)
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Can I just say I'm just happy getting an alien main character again that at least looks like a fucking alien?

With full on face-mask and make-up and stuff?
I'm so sick of all these Lanthanites, Ilyrians, Kwejians, Khionians, and yes, Bethazoids, and every other "alien" main character that looks 100% human. Last time that was acceptable was in the 80s, and even then not really.
 
Can I just say I'm just happy getting an alien main character again that at least looks like a fucking alien?

With full on face-mask and make-up and stuff?
I'm so sick of all these Lanthanites, Ilyrians, Kwejians, Khionians, and yes, Bethazoids, and every other "alien" main character that looks 100% human. Last time that was acceptable was in the 80s, and even then not really.
Don't hold back; tell us how you really feel.


Human looking aliens never bothered me :shrug:
 
for right now I prefer to think that a Klingon lady named Asmaret met a handsome Jem’Hadar, they loved each other very much and then a few months later Lura Thok was born. ;)
And because her parents were a Klingon and a Jem'Hadar, we also find out that Thok is currently only twelve years old. ;)
 
And because her parents were a Klingon and a Jem'Hadar, we also find out that Thok is currently only twelve years old. ;)
Klingons being super long-lived & Jem'Hadar super short cancel each other out to "perfectly human-like" age ;)
 
Can I just say I'm just happy getting an alien main character again that at least looks like a fucking alien?

With full on face-mask and make-up and stuff?
I'm so sick of all these Lanthanites, Ilyrians, Kwejians, Khionians, and yes, Bethazoids, and every other "alien" main character that looks 100% human. Last time that was acceptable was in the 80s, and even then not really.
Again?

Strange New Worlds has Spock and Hemmer.
Discovery has Saru.
Lower Decks has D'Vana.
Prodigy's entire main cast was non-human.
Picard has Worf.
 
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