I could go for early Kirk story with Mitchell and Kelso
Fan production ideas....
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I could go for early Kirk story with Mitchell and Kelso
There are two ideas that spring to mind for me:
Civilian-based ship, similar to the fabulous Star Trek: Aurora. Based on a small civvie ship (a freighter or surveyor) with a tight-knit crew, looking for work and dealing with issues that Starfleet wouldn't normally face. The emphasis and focus would be far more on the characters and them relationships, no doubt with them getting into some sort of trouble/problem/mischief along the way.
During "The Lost Era". Onboard an era appropriate ship (Ambassador, New Orleans, etc) during the unseen time between TUC and TNG. A lot happened over that time with huge potential for interesting stories to help bridge the seventy year gap.
Civilian-based ship, similar to the fabulous Star Trek: Aurora. Based on a small civvie ship (a freighter or surveyor) with a tight-knit crew, looking for work and dealing with issues that Starfleet wouldn't normally face. The emphasis and focus would be far more on the characters and them relationships, no doubt with them getting into some sort of trouble/problem/mischief along the way.
During "The Lost Era". Onboard an era appropriate ship (Ambassador, New Orleans, etc) during the unseen time between TUC and TNG. A lot happened over that time with huge potential for interesting stories to help bridge the seventy year gap.
I'm wondering what effect, if any, the new guidelines could have on new production ideas.
The most obvious seems to be a push for more one-shot efforts. But I think this needs further clarification because I don't think the guidelines expressly forbids recurring characters if the stories are separate and self-contained. Episodic as opposed to arc based storytelling.
Seriously, the basic foundation of Trek fanfilms was to tell further stories of the TOS crew. Of course, the possibilities of expanding on this arose to explore other parts of the Trek universe and with each new official series to be inspired by. Now there could be TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, TAS and film era based stories as well as TOS along with exploring other ideas not directly tied to those productions.
The most obvious seems to be a push for more one-shot efforts. But I think this needs further clarification because I don't think the guidelines expressly forbids recurring characters if the stories are separate and self-contained. Episodic as opposed to arc based storytelling.
Seriously, the basic foundation of Trek fanfilms was to tell further stories of the TOS crew. Of course, the possibilities of expanding on this arose to explore other parts of the Trek universe and with each new official series to be inspired by. Now there could be TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, TAS and film era based stories as well as TOS along with exploring other ideas not directly tied to those productions.
I think ship battle type stories are the easiest for many to grasp and to associate withe drama and action.
Ship battles and Klingons were something seen occasionally in TOS, but they are something that many fans gravitated to and seemed to become prominent in fanfic and later series and films.
That is actually part of what is sad about the Axanar production. They missed a chance to do something fresh with the subject matter. Prelude To Axanar was a glimpse of what the project could have been in telling the story of an important conflict in a documentary style.
Ship battles and Klingons were something seen occasionally in TOS, but they are something that many fans gravitated to and seemed to become prominent in fanfic and later series and films.
That is actually part of what is sad about the Axanar production. They missed a chance to do something fresh with the subject matter. Prelude To Axanar was a glimpse of what the project could have been in telling the story of an important conflict in a documentary style.
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The Ultimate Computer warned of mankind becoming replaced by their technology and by the time TNG came around we embraced it, not only in the episodes but in the making of the episodes. Do we write and produce stories about the human condition or does technology become the only vehicle allowed for storytelling?
We vote in a representative , call them StarFleet and we vest them with them the terrible decision everyday over who lives or dies. When the verdict comes down from some plush upper echelon staff meeting, who will stand for all those left with the short end of the stick?
We use to have tales of Robin Hood, Zorro or the Lone Ranger, Star Trek offered us Dr. Corby, Khan or Dr. Sevrin. There are stories there, if you dare to reach beyond the tried and true notion that all is well within the Federation. What hero will rise up when peoples lives become uprooted over a simple compromise between two galactic nations? This was my purpose for creating the one known as Lanclos.
We vote in a representative , call them StarFleet and we vest them with them the terrible decision everyday over who lives or dies. When the verdict comes down from some plush upper echelon staff meeting, who will stand for all those left with the short end of the stick?
We use to have tales of Robin Hood, Zorro or the Lone Ranger, Star Trek offered us Dr. Corby, Khan or Dr. Sevrin. There are stories there, if you dare to reach beyond the tried and true notion that all is well within the Federation. What hero will rise up when peoples lives become uprooted over a simple compromise between two galactic nations? This was my purpose for creating the one known as Lanclos.
Would be fun to see a series of shorts based on different crews that fought at Wolf 359, one crew per short. I always thought that would be interesting, and it totally fits with the new guidelines.
but wouldnt the fact they had all been at Wolf 359 count as an arc?
Eh, they don't have to have a common title. Sounds like a gray area to me. Is it against the rules to have multiple projects referencing the same event in Star Trek, when that event is established as a canonical event?
I feel like different characters, different ships, different situations representing a shared canonical event in Star Trek history might be fine. Otherwise, CBS could make the case that sharing any canonical idea between two projects is an arc.
I would like to see a guideline-compliant fan film depicting the Battle of Axanar. Whoever did it would get a shitload of views, just from all the hype of the defunct Alec Peters debacle.
I am curious, according to canon what was the Battle of Axanar?? Based on the transcript, it almost appears that it was a fight between the Federation and the planet Axanar itself (edit: the people from said planet -- pretty hard for a big ball of rock to fight back). There's nothing to indicate Klingons or any other third-party was involved.
I know that FASA somehow turned it into the Four Years War, but is that really considered "canon"?
GARTH: You'll find that I am magnanimous to my friends and merciless to my enemies, and I want you, both of you, to be my friends.
SPOCK: On what, precisely, is our friendship to be based?
GARTH: Upon the firmest of foundations, Mister Spock. Enlightened self interest. You, Captain, are second only to me as the finest military commander in the galaxy.
KIRK: That's very flattering. I am primarily an explorer now, Captain Garth.
GARTH: And so have I been. I have charted more new worlds than any man in history.
KIRK: And tried to destroy Antos Four.
SPOCK: Why?
GARTH: Well, I could say because they were actively hostile to the Federation.
KIRK: Yes, you could say, but that would be untrue.
GARTH: Agreed. Actually they were quite harmless, and they made me whole when I was maimed and dying. And in my gratitude, I offered them the galaxy. They rejected me, and I condemned them to death.
SPOCK: How could you, a Starship fleet Captain, believe that a Federation crew would blindly obey your order to destroy the entire Antos race, a people famous for their benevolence and peaceful pursuits?
GARTH: That was my only miscalculation. I had changed. I had risen above this decadent weakness which still has you in its command, by the way, Captain. My crew had not. I couldn't sway them, but my new crew, the men in this room, will obey my orders without question. Gentlemen, you have eyes but you cannot see. Galaxies surround us, limitless vistas. And yet the Federation would have us grub away like some ants on some somewhat larger than usual anthill. But I am not an insect. I am master of the universe, and I must claim my domain.
KIRK: I agree there was a time when war was necessary, and you were our greatest warrior. I studied your victory at Axanar when I was a cadet. In fact it's still required reading at the Academy.
GARTH: As well it should be.
KIRK: Very well. But my first visit to Axanar was as a new fledged cadet on a peace mission.
GARTH: Peace mission! Politicians and weaklings!
KIRK: They were humanitarians and statesmen, and they had a dream. A dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars, a dream that made Mister Spock and me brothers.
GARTH: Mister Spock, do you consider Captain Kirk and yourself brothers?
SPOCK: Captain Kirk speaks somewhat figuratively and with undue emotion. However, what he says is logical and I do, in fact, agree with it.
GARTH: Blind! Truly blind! Captain Kirk is your commanding officer and you are his subordinate. That is all. Yet, Mister Spock, you are a worthy commander in your own right, and in my fleet, you will surely have a Starship to command.
SPOCK: Please forgive me, but exactly where is your fleet?
GARTH: Out there waiting for me. They will flock to my cause, and for good reason. Limitless power, limitless wealth, and solar systems ruled by the elite. We, gentlemen, are that elite, and we must take what is rightfully ours from the decadent weaklings that now hold it.
SPOCK: On what, precisely, is our friendship to be based?
GARTH: Upon the firmest of foundations, Mister Spock. Enlightened self interest. You, Captain, are second only to me as the finest military commander in the galaxy.
KIRK: That's very flattering. I am primarily an explorer now, Captain Garth.
GARTH: And so have I been. I have charted more new worlds than any man in history.
KIRK: And tried to destroy Antos Four.
SPOCK: Why?
GARTH: Well, I could say because they were actively hostile to the Federation.
KIRK: Yes, you could say, but that would be untrue.
GARTH: Agreed. Actually they were quite harmless, and they made me whole when I was maimed and dying. And in my gratitude, I offered them the galaxy. They rejected me, and I condemned them to death.
SPOCK: How could you, a Starship fleet Captain, believe that a Federation crew would blindly obey your order to destroy the entire Antos race, a people famous for their benevolence and peaceful pursuits?
GARTH: That was my only miscalculation. I had changed. I had risen above this decadent weakness which still has you in its command, by the way, Captain. My crew had not. I couldn't sway them, but my new crew, the men in this room, will obey my orders without question. Gentlemen, you have eyes but you cannot see. Galaxies surround us, limitless vistas. And yet the Federation would have us grub away like some ants on some somewhat larger than usual anthill. But I am not an insect. I am master of the universe, and I must claim my domain.
KIRK: I agree there was a time when war was necessary, and you were our greatest warrior. I studied your victory at Axanar when I was a cadet. In fact it's still required reading at the Academy.
GARTH: As well it should be.
KIRK: Very well. But my first visit to Axanar was as a new fledged cadet on a peace mission.
GARTH: Peace mission! Politicians and weaklings!
KIRK: They were humanitarians and statesmen, and they had a dream. A dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars, a dream that made Mister Spock and me brothers.
GARTH: Mister Spock, do you consider Captain Kirk and yourself brothers?
SPOCK: Captain Kirk speaks somewhat figuratively and with undue emotion. However, what he says is logical and I do, in fact, agree with it.
GARTH: Blind! Truly blind! Captain Kirk is your commanding officer and you are his subordinate. That is all. Yet, Mister Spock, you are a worthy commander in your own right, and in my fleet, you will surely have a Starship to command.
SPOCK: Please forgive me, but exactly where is your fleet?
GARTH: Out there waiting for me. They will flock to my cause, and for good reason. Limitless power, limitless wealth, and solar systems ruled by the elite. We, gentlemen, are that elite, and we must take what is rightfully ours from the decadent weaklings that now hold it.
I know that FASA somehow turned it into the Four Years War, but is that really considered "canon"?
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^^ What I get out of that scene is there was a significant and decisive battle at Axanar. It could also be suggesting the Federation was founded after that event, which makes hay of TNG saying the UFP was founded in the 22nd century.
There is no reference to the Klingons whatsoever.
However, given the timeframe it's possible that another event referenced in TOS is the Battle of Donatu 5 (re: "The Trouble With Tribbles") which happened twenty-five years previously and seems to imply Klingon involvement.
Put it all together and you have a significant conflict happening twenty-five years ago,which might involve the Klingons, and was possibly followed by the founding of the Federation. If so then it could mean the Federation was less than twenty-five years old in TOS' third season.
There is no reference to the Klingons whatsoever.
However, given the timeframe it's possible that another event referenced in TOS is the Battle of Donatu 5 (re: "The Trouble With Tribbles") which happened twenty-five years previously and seems to imply Klingon involvement.
Put it all together and you have a significant conflict happening twenty-five years ago,which might involve the Klingons, and was possibly followed by the founding of the Federation. If so then it could mean the Federation was less than twenty-five years old in TOS' third season.
Could have been a drunken Daedalus captain which accidentally rammed a Klingon trading ship and stumbled into a escape pod over over Antos IV. Driven insane by his epic failure became required reading at the academy under Lessons of what not to do in the center seat.
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