"Family" is the best thing Star Trek ever did. Discuss.
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Well, what are the best episodes of Star Trek that are more ordinary? "Family" was a tad askew, as was "Yesterday's Enterprise" - another fan favorite. So, of the normal episodes in which no Alternate Universe or unusual storytelling device is used, what are some of Trek's best?
Picard may be a brilliant captain but clueless when it comes to stuff like family and probably children and women. He thought he had everything from Star Fleet and his genius, but ultimately he needed his family to comfort him. That's part of being humans. You are born, you get sick and then you die. And we need our family at the end of the day. I know Picard never mentioned it, but his parents probably made him who is today. Without them he is nothing, would be nothing and have nothing!
Why do people act like jerks, and then sulk over themselves alone when they they didn't get invited to any social gathering or wonder why people didn't like them, treating and looking at them like a strange alien? [laugh] A lot of people...even geniuses...do this. Picard act like he's above all that, thinking he's so damn smart that he didn't need his family, and then sulked to himself alone and wondered why his brother and parents treated him like a strange alien. Anyone find it unwise and contradictory to himself...it's very illogical.
Why do people act like jerks, and then sulk over themselves alone when they they didn't get invited to any social gathering or wonder why people didn't like them, treating and looking at them like a strange alien? [laugh] A lot of people...even geniuses...do this. Picard act like he's above all that, thinking he's so damn smart that he didn't need his family, and then sulked to himself alone and wondered why his brother and parents treated him like a strange alien. Anyone find it unwise and contradictory to himself...it's very illogical.
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Talk about
A.. Hammering the message
B.. Being tone deaf.
Real people, especially prideful ones like Rene, don't always say what they truly feel. We also don't need the message to be spelled out.
"One who walks alone, dies alone".
Anyway, it's great for a lot of people who are into that kidda stuff, but it doesn't mean that it's always fun to watch...for some people. [chuckle] Read a little Nechee (sp) and tell me how tense you get!
It's so serious it takes the fun of reading, or watching!
Anyway, it's great for a lot of people who are into that kidda stuff, but it doesn't mean that it's always fun to watch...for some people. [chuckle] Read a little Nechee (sp) and tell me how tense you get!
It's so serious it takes the fun of reading, or watching!
Don't forget that not everyone has someone, regardless if they try or not. And lots of people lose the ones they have. Also many who do have someone else fell into it ass backwards, or aren't that much nicer than others, or are still miserable.
There is more to life than being someone else's lover. And in the end, we all "die alone". It's not like we enter the afterlife as a Collective, or St. Peter will just let you in if you have a spouse or offspring back on Earth. George Washington didnt have any children but I think his life meant something. Same thing about his childless bachelor barber.
There is more to life than being someone else's lover. And in the end, we all "die alone". It's not like we enter the afterlife as a Collective, or St. Peter will just let you in if you have a spouse or offspring back on Earth. George Washington didnt have any children but I think his life meant something. Same thing about his childless bachelor barber.
There are two sides to every stories. Most people aren't that bad if you give them the chance...you too have to make comprise sometimes. And by doing that people will see what a great guy you are and returns the favor. Relationships are reciprocal. It will never work out if no one is willing to compromise...usually that's when you get a divorce, or never speaking to that friend again. It has to at least start with one person, or couple, that is willing to reach out to others. People don't always admit it that they need the companies of others and then wonder why they are so miserable, sulking to themselves alone. And it's true that sometimes you become a victims of an abusive situations, but you can't let anger consume you and close yourself off from the world. That's what serial killers do. Instead of reaching out to others and forgive, they let that anger turns to hate.
I think people that thinks they don't need anybody (that they are a lone wolf) are not very nice people and are arrogant enough to think they know everything and got everything figured out, that's rather presumptutious. What are you going to do when you laying on a hospital bed in pain at 80...? It is an inescapable truth. People who think of themselves as a lone wolf never lead a happy life. I think John Donne (not sure) was one of them. A brilliant writer, but was an asshole. He couldn't quite figure out what was the meaning of life, and died alone in the end.
I think people that thinks they don't need anybody (that they are a lone wolf) are not very nice people and are arrogant enough to think they know everything and got everything figured out, that's rather presumptutious. What are you going to do when you laying on a hospital bed in pain at 80...? It is an inescapable truth. People who think of themselves as a lone wolf never lead a happy life. I think John Donne (not sure) was one of them. A brilliant writer, but was an asshole. He couldn't quite figure out what was the meaning of life, and died alone in the end.
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Have you ever try to be logical all the time that it drives you crazy? And then you have to say to yourself: f*** logic! Sometimes you have to have faith in yourself and other people. Looking too much into the matters sometimes will blind you to a truth or a better solution...something you haven't thought of. Vulcans are always used to always thinking about what is the best strategies to do this or that that they forgot to look at the simplest solution. Being tactful is not the Vulcans best job! 
Sometimes you have to have faith in yourself and other people. Looking too much into the matters sometimes will blind you to a truth or a better solution...something you haven't thought of. Vulcans are always used to always thinking about what is the best strategies to do this or that that they forgot to look at the simplest solution. Being tactful is not the Vulcans best job! 
No doubt, a very powerful episode. We need some episodes like these, that focus on the characters and not the sci-fi tech. It puts things in more realistic terms. TNG really needed that, because so many episodes were making it out like Starfleet is perfection. I wish we had more of them. Shifts in perspective really add to the series, like "Lower Decks" did. And "Tapestry."
Okay, fair enough. But, given there's 700+ hours of televised Trek, the difference between your #10 and my #1 is pretty negligible. It's still pretty fucking good
Set the obvious high quality of the episode aside and, yeah, it is pretty stock.
Weird thing sci-fi thing X happens which forces the crew to deal with complication Y and as they waffle around a bit between solutions A and B, solution Z presents itself.
It's textbook TNG. That doesn't take anything away from the episode, but it's very much in the show's wheelhouse. "Family" is something that's very much outside its wheelhouse. I think that's why it's so good.
I dislike the episode. My post serves no other purpose then to prove that it is not universally liked.
I love the Picard part of "Family" but I really don't like Worf's part of the story. Worf's mother is fine, but his dad bugs the hell out of me with all of his 'I have the blueprints' crap. Really? I sure the Romulans would like to get a set of those blueprints.
I don't understand the need to have both an A and B story all the time. I would have been perfectly happy to have all Picard all the time in this episode.
I don't understand the need to have both an A and B story all the time. I would have been perfectly happy to have all Picard all the time in this episode.
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