Falling Skies: "Mutiny/Eight Hours" Discussion/Comments **Spoilers**
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All right people, I voted 4 Skitters; I was really hoping for a bit more high-charged action, which kept me from going to 5.
Great cliffhanger though. Really wasn't expecting that.
Be looking for other comments tomorrow.
All right people, I voted 4 Skitters; I was really hoping for a bit more high-charged action, which kept me from going to 5.
Great cliffhanger though. Really wasn't expecting that.
Be looking for other comments tomorrow.
Re: Falling Skies: "Mutiny/Eight Hours" Discussion/Comments **Spoilers
That's what I thought. Not until tonight.
That's what I thought. Not until tonight.
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Not true when Pope laid out a few road flare they targeted the GTO/M2 50 cal MG. Pope's gang was taken out but Pope had already driven the car out of the blast radius.
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On the whole I've had a lot of complaints about this series but the biggest problem was I just couldn't get that excited about the characters or the plot. The final episode is the first time I actually find myself very much wanting to find out what happens next. Hopefully this is a sign the second season will be a lot better.
On the whole I've had a lot of complaints about this series but the biggest problem was I just couldn't get that excited about the characters or the plot. The final episode is the first time I actually find myself very much wanting to find out what happens next. Hopefully this is a sign the second season will be a lot better.
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What is with Dai? He gets shot in the foot and is perfectly fine the next episode, he's badly wounded in the finale and walking around fighting the next day. The resistance needs to study his DNA!
"Asian guy" and "Black guy" are in the main cast credits, yet they're the only ones who don't really get to do anything other than get injured every other episode.
Looks like Rick was just suffering from PTSD and Stockholm Syndrome rather than something deeper.
MAGGIE: "Jimmy, wanna see something beautiful?"
JIMMY: "Sure, can you bend over again?"
What is with Dai? He gets shot in the foot and is perfectly fine the next episode, he's badly wounded in the finale and walking around fighting the next day. The resistance needs to study his DNA!
"Asian guy" and "Black guy" are in the main cast credits, yet they're the only ones who don't really get to do anything other than get injured every other episode.
Looks like Rick was just suffering from PTSD and Stockholm Syndrome rather than something deeper.
OK, I'm really getting turned on by Maggie!
MAGGIE: "Jimmy, wanna see something beautiful?"
JIMMY: "Sure, can you bend over again?"
Re: Falling Skies: "Mutiny/Eight Hours" Discussion/Comments **Spoilers
What is with Dai? He gets shot in the foot and is perfectly fine the next episode, he's badly wounded in the finale and walking around fighting the next day. The resistance needs to study his DNA!
"Asian guy" and "Black guy" are in the main cast credits, yet they're the only ones who don't really get to do anything other than get injured every other episode.
Looks like Rick was just suffering from PTSD and Stockholm Syndrome rather than something deeper.
OK, I'm really getting turned on by Maggie!
MAGGIE: "Jimmy, wanna see something beautiful?"
JIMMY: "Sure, can you bend over again?"
Re: Falling Skies: "Mutiny/Eight Hours" Discussion/Comments **Spoilers
Agreed. The final two part finale was great.
Agreed. The final two part finale was great.
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Flagpole=deflector dish.
Pope's motivation is the desire to kill skitters but he passes on the big show and waves goodbye to Tom? The Pope one lines may be tart but they're not a character, much less a good one.
The big action scenes made this very entertaining but the plot would have worked more smoothly if Weaver had succeeded, instead of huggery-muggery to make Tom the giant killer.
As to the end, Hollywood likes to make it personal. Aliens who understand how important Tom is aren't really all that alien, are they? In any event, Tom should not come back and writing any way to bring him back undoes the climax, which is a terrible way to start a season.
The cliffhanger could have been Tom and Weaver walking into the standing remnant of the structure and seeing ????
Weaver shouting I'm going to kill the skinny and not shooting was character destroying. Damaging the Weaver character for what?
4 skitters for the episodes's excitement, but another step downward in the overall story.
Flagpole=deflector dish.
Pope's motivation is the desire to kill skitters but he passes on the big show and waves goodbye to Tom? The Pope one lines may be tart but they're not a character, much less a good one.
The big action scenes made this very entertaining but the plot would have worked more smoothly if Weaver had succeeded, instead of huggery-muggery to make Tom the giant killer.
As to the end, Hollywood likes to make it personal. Aliens who understand how important Tom is aren't really all that alien, are they? In any event, Tom should not come back and writing any way to bring him back undoes the climax, which is a terrible way to start a season.
The cliffhanger could have been Tom and Weaver walking into the standing remnant of the structure and seeing ????
Weaver shouting I'm going to kill the skinny and not shooting was character destroying. Damaging the Weaver character for what?
4 skitters for the episodes's excitement, but another step downward in the overall story.
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I was actually a little dissapoint in that I really don't see hpw thwy will make sense out of this (IE the aliens came with weapons that took out military bases, etc. in one shot; and withstood what must have been some major counterattacks by those of our military that first survived - yet now, a 'lucky shot' from a single RPHG manages to destroy an alien ship in flight, which in turn crashes into a hanger and takes out a wing of the structure.
As for the radio jamming working - didn't mind that per se, but - are you going to tell me the aliens LOST the ability to target and take out the source with one of the devices they used on military bases when they arrived?
It also DOES look like the harnesses transform the 'source DNA' into multi-legged 'Skitters' - but I agree this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either (IE something that just wholsale changes the physiology so it doesn'y remotely resemble the source lifeform, but again, perhaps they have a reason.
I know a lot of people, like tat the aliens suddenly 'want to talk' <---- To me this just smacks of more V type garbage where we know begin to 'know' the aliens, and find they're a lot like us, etc. Honestly, meh.
I was actually a little dissapoint in that I really don't see hpw thwy will make sense out of this (IE the aliens came with weapons that took out military bases, etc. in one shot; and withstood what must have been some major counterattacks by those of our military that first survived - yet now, a 'lucky shot' from a single RPHG manages to destroy an alien ship in flight, which in turn crashes into a hanger and takes out a wing of the structure.
As for the radio jamming working - didn't mind that per se, but - are you going to tell me the aliens LOST the ability to target and take out the source with one of the devices they used on military bases when they arrived?
It also DOES look like the harnesses transform the 'source DNA' into multi-legged 'Skitters' - but I agree this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either (IE something that just wholsale changes the physiology so it doesn'y remotely resemble the source lifeform, but again, perhaps they have a reason.
I know a lot of people, like tat the aliens suddenly 'want to talk' <---- To me this just smacks of more V type garbage where we know begin to 'know' the aliens, and find they're a lot like us, etc. Honestly, meh.
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For me that isn't a plot problem. Shit I know people now who don't know to drive anywhere they haven't been without the help of their GPS navigation system.
So conceivably to me this is no different that blocking a technology the aliens are accustomed to using for targeting.
For me that isn't a plot problem. Shit I know people now who don't know to drive anywhere they haven't been without the help of their GPS navigation system.
So conceivably to me this is no different that blocking a technology the aliens are accustomed to using for targeting.
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4 skitters for both episodes.
I can't say I was blown away by the finale - it went along at pretty much the same solidly "good" level of all the other eps so far. But I did appreciate the glimmers of unpredictability/playing with and subverting the expected sci fi cliches that we got.
Chiefly:
-Weaver wasn't on drugs after all, he was just being his usual too-incautious self. So Tom was wrong to mutiny against him (or at least, to mutiny this particular time) and Weaver is "wrong" in being the wrong guy for his job.
Or is he? Even if the other units were wiped out, does that make running away the sensible option? Running away to where? To do what? These people are truly on the ropes and out of options. Maybe a hail-Mary attack is the best approach.
-Our Heroes didn't make some implausibly miraculous strike against the aliens, like the standard Hollywood script would dictate. Tom did make a lucky shot, but it was hardly a knockout blow. More like a knock on the door.
The bipedal Mechs are explained by the bipedal overlords who originally designed them. They just roam the galaxy collecting new slave species and using the harness to give them more strength and abilities (such as hanging from the ceiling) and an exoskeleton (useful in combat) in addition to the brainwashing. Human "skitters" would retain their bipedal form.
4 skitters for both episodes.
I can't say I was blown away by the finale - it went along at pretty much the same solidly "good" level of all the other eps so far. But I did appreciate the glimmers of unpredictability/playing with and subverting the expected sci fi cliches that we got.
Chiefly:
-Weaver wasn't on drugs after all, he was just being his usual too-incautious self. So Tom was wrong to mutiny against him (or at least, to mutiny this particular time) and Weaver is "wrong" in being the wrong guy for his job.
Or is he? Even if the other units were wiped out, does that make running away the sensible option? Running away to where? To do what? These people are truly on the ropes and out of options. Maybe a hail-Mary attack is the best approach.
-Our Heroes didn't make some implausibly miraculous strike against the aliens, like the standard Hollywood script would dictate. Tom did make a lucky shot, but it was hardly a knockout blow. More like a knock on the door.
There's no evidence that the skitters were anything but six-legged critters in their original form. If the writers make them originally bipedal humanoids, that would be a big disappointment. I hope they have the imagination to create un-human-looking aliens who are sympathetic regardless rather than insist that all advanced alien species must be humanoid, even as humanoid as the overlords.
The bipedal Mechs are explained by the bipedal overlords who originally designed them. They just roam the galaxy collecting new slave species and using the harness to give them more strength and abilities (such as hanging from the ceiling) and an exoskeleton (useful in combat) in addition to the brainwashing. Human "skitters" would retain their bipedal form.
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What's your take on the whole, skinny aliens are pleased and surprised by the level of resistance at the end? Lets take Tom away in our alien craft that in a very cliche way always have 500 watt bulbs in every light socket.
Where can they go with this?
What's your take on the whole, skinny aliens are pleased and surprised by the level of resistance at the end? Lets take Tom away in our alien craft that in a very cliche way always have 500 watt bulbs in every light socket.
Where can they go with this?
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I think the alien overlords are playing their own game, and not playing nice. They may be impressed to see that humans figured out how to pierce Mech armor. Tom's lucky hit on the structure, combined with the humans' ability to drive off the Mechs from the school, have piqued the overlords' interest.
They might see Tom or other intrepid-minded humans as recruits to their military structure, because of their potential to apply that ingenuity to future planets that are targets for conquest. They might offer some inducement like, help us go conquer Alpha Centauri and we'll leave what remains of humanity alone. Brr, that would be great!
(This would also explain why the overlords aren't going for the kill like they probably should. Why withdraw Mechs simply because humans have jammed the signal and have Mech-piercing bullets? Just recalibrate the signal, keep changing it too fast for humans to adapt, and overwhelm them with Mechs until they're out of ammo. Other than convenient writing, the reason not to do this is if the humans have "passed the test" by jamming the signal and making Mech-armor-piercing bullets.)
They probably do this kind of thing routinely. I don't see the overlords as being interested in Earth particularly. It's just another planet among hundreds or thousands that they've conquered. They might deliberately wipe out populations in order to see who survives and then investigate the survivors as possible recruits, since they've proven their mettle simply by surviving. (There was dialogue to this effect in an earlier episode, and these writers definitely like to pepper their dialogue with foreshadowing.)
I expect the overlords to remain villains - this show needs an irredeemable villain species that cannot be negotiated with - but some skitters may possibly become sympathetic allies. Now Tom will be in a great position to see more about the skitters and learn more about what kind of species they originally were, before they were harnessed. I'd love to see a skitter become a major sympathetic character, with its exoskeleton removed so we can see what its species looks like.
It may be a challenge to communicate with a skitter whose been severed from the hive mind, and the species won't look remotely human - probably more like a land-dwelling, six-legged octopus - but it would be a real change of pace to have a sci fi show that expects us to sympathize with a very unhumanoid looking alien. I can't think of any space opera series that has ever done that. The most alien looking critters main characters have been the likes of Rygel and Pilot from Farscape. Let's have something oogier than that!
I think the alien overlords are playing their own game, and not playing nice. They may be impressed to see that humans figured out how to pierce Mech armor. Tom's lucky hit on the structure, combined with the humans' ability to drive off the Mechs from the school, have piqued the overlords' interest.
They might see Tom or other intrepid-minded humans as recruits to their military structure, because of their potential to apply that ingenuity to future planets that are targets for conquest. They might offer some inducement like, help us go conquer Alpha Centauri and we'll leave what remains of humanity alone. Brr, that would be great!
(This would also explain why the overlords aren't going for the kill like they probably should. Why withdraw Mechs simply because humans have jammed the signal and have Mech-piercing bullets? Just recalibrate the signal, keep changing it too fast for humans to adapt, and overwhelm them with Mechs until they're out of ammo. Other than convenient writing, the reason not to do this is if the humans have "passed the test" by jamming the signal and making Mech-armor-piercing bullets.)
They probably do this kind of thing routinely. I don't see the overlords as being interested in Earth particularly. It's just another planet among hundreds or thousands that they've conquered. They might deliberately wipe out populations in order to see who survives and then investigate the survivors as possible recruits, since they've proven their mettle simply by surviving. (There was dialogue to this effect in an earlier episode, and these writers definitely like to pepper their dialogue with foreshadowing.)
I expect the overlords to remain villains - this show needs an irredeemable villain species that cannot be negotiated with - but some skitters may possibly become sympathetic allies. Now Tom will be in a great position to see more about the skitters and learn more about what kind of species they originally were, before they were harnessed. I'd love to see a skitter become a major sympathetic character, with its exoskeleton removed so we can see what its species looks like.
It may be a challenge to communicate with a skitter whose been severed from the hive mind, and the species won't look remotely human - probably more like a land-dwelling, six-legged octopus - but it would be a real change of pace to have a sci fi show that expects us to sympathize with a very unhumanoid looking alien. I can't think of any space opera series that has ever done that. The most alien looking critters main characters have been the likes of Rygel and Pilot from Farscape. Let's have something oogier than that!
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The Aliens need to watch Star Trek about changing shield frequencies, they could definetly learn a thing or 2 from the Borg. LOL
If the Mechs could not get the job done why not send a ship to just bomb the school, unless the jamming signal could effect that too.
The Aliens need to watch Star Trek about changing shield frequencies, they could definetly learn a thing or 2 from the Borg. LOL
If the Mechs could not get the job done why not send a ship to just bomb the school, unless the jamming signal could effect that too.
Re: Falling Skies: "Mutiny/Eight Hours" Discussion/Comments **Spoilers
The only explanations are:
1. Convenient writing.
2. The overlords have been testing the humans, and they've passed the test. They don't want to obliterate possible new recruits, do they?
The only explanations are:
1. Convenient writing.
2. The overlords have been testing the humans, and they've passed the test. They don't want to obliterate possible new recruits, do they?