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Fair Haven and Janeway's "moral dilemma"

^ She didn't seem like she would do that. She was never angry or upset at Picard.

And besides, remember the Titan. Will Riker is *married* to a member of his crew. If Starfleet can put up with that, then it can deal with this.
 
Are you watching Greys Anatomy right now?

Sexual bias/discrimination is a hot topic since one of the noobs sued, so they had to bring in love contracts, and ultimatums and severe class division, a line in the sand they can't #### across, which is voided by marriage. One of the little girl doctors is really worried about getting fired if she keeps shagging her boyfriend from the main cast.

Love contracts on Voyager, would have to be signed off by the Counselor and then officiated by the Captain.

Janeway is literally printing sex vouchers.

Although considering the stern talking to Tom and B'Elanna got when they were found out necking in the Jefferies Tube, methinks that they did not file their paperwork with the EMH and Kathryn like they were probably supposed to.
 
I think Janeway felt it was somewhat out of character which is why she had qualms about some aspects of it, possibly it's the first time she'd included sex with her regular use of the holodeck. She'd bonded with holograms before but it had been the same way you might bond with an MMO character of your creation or an NPC in a game who you really like interacting with. Leonardo etc.. adding the sex shifted it to another level for her and that's what threw her.

I don't think she was going to "great lengths" doing it though. I think she saw it as a normal, something to encourage unpartnered crew members to engage in given their circumstances in the DQ. Eventually when everyone else is doing something your personal squeamishness about it breaks down, why not give it a whirl? It's not like giving Chak a whirl where you have to look at him every day afterwards for seventy years, you just walk away and end program.

So she tried it. And she couldn't quite handle it. And in the end she was okay about that.

Yeah agreed. I liked seeing that side of Janeway, the one who does need to have somewhat of a recreational or personal life away from her captain's seat. And I agree she herself was worried / scared about what she was doing, but in the end I think she made the right decision. If she had let it go on and on it would have caused issues down the line.



what sort of "issues" are involved in private sexual relations with a hologram? Seems to me it would be the most issue-free kind of relationship possible.

Maybe becoming too attached and then realizing how easily a hologram could accidentally be destroyed. Also consider that they only have one mobile emitter. They get home and the dude can't leave the ship.

I don't know... I guess I meant in the long run. Also I think Janeway was uncomfortable with the fact that she continually tried to alter his program and that she didn't like the idea that she was dating someone who was alter-able.

I didn't mean I think it's wrong that she had sexual or romantic relations with a hologram.
 
Troi and Riker is not the same because they first formed a relationship before he was her commander.

Forming a relationship with a direct subordinate may not be against Starfleet rules but it is immoral and irresponsible. You can't initiate a relationship in on equal grounds from a context of one having power over the other.
 
It can't work like that.

On Betazed years earlier they developed a casual relationship that lapsed.

A year after the series finished, the Roofie planet in insurrection hornied them up and they took a bath together.

They were drugged.

And rather than like adults, admitting that they accidentally had a bad trip that meant nothing, they pretending that feelings are real and subconsciously they had always been working towards a reconciliation, becuase iit had been on her back burner and he was afraid of dying alone.

Data's mother from TNG Inheritance was played by a much younger Fionnula Flanagan who also played recently the chain smoking mayor in your "beloved" Defiance.


http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Juliana_Tainer
 
It's amazing how people are always making or ordering robots that look just like themselves. I don't want more than one me (other than for previously mentioned experiments which robots wouldn't work for). A robot me, ick. Okay you can send it out into the world to do all the boring stuff and you get the credit, that would be okay. But if you can create robots you get enough financial and personal credit anyway because of your genius.

Some people try and make their MMO characters look as close to themselves as possible too.
 
Some people try and make their MMO characters look as close to themselves as possible too.
Most of my online RPG characters were as different as possible from me, starting with making them female because I didn't want to be looking at a guy's ass for 15 hours.
 
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