Fair Haven and Janeway's holographic boyfriend
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Especially since it was implied years earlier in Blood fever that Holograms don't get Vulans Hot... I assumed because they don't possess any telepathic resonance, which would be very important one would think to a telepathic species... Although Lwaxana thought it was sexy that she couldn't pierce the thoughts of a telepathic barman...
But what did Tuvok's real wife do -- after all, it's not just the man's problem.
I trust Vulcan widows and widowers don't just up and die on their next pon farr. Biologically, it must be possible to take on a new mate when the former one is either dead or outside telepathic range. And in this case, it would be the logical thing to do, customs and mores be damned. Vulcans wouldn't care about customs over logic - not even in pon farr, 'xept it's an issue of biology rather than custom that forces them to obey tradition there.
The holo-wife would not have been an end-all solution for Tuvok, certainly. Pon farr was originally described as the urge to find a mate, and presumably to keep one once one is found. It's not a copulation urge as such (except perhaps on females, as per ENT "Bounty"), and might not be eased through copulation unless it is with the chosen mate (the telepathic resonance Guy speaks about).
Apart from this, holo-cheating might be a mildly controversial issue, similar to whether it's appropriate to masturbate while in a relationship. Some say yes, some say no, most just plain don't care.
Timo Saloniemi
The holo-wife would not have been an end-all solution for Tuvok, certainly. Pon farr was originally described as the urge to find a mate, and presumably to keep one once one is found. It's not a copulation urge as such (except perhaps on females, as per ENT "Bounty"), and might not be eased through copulation unless it is with the chosen mate (the telepathic resonance Guy speaks about).
Apart from this, holo-cheating might be a mildly controversial issue, similar to whether it's appropriate to masturbate while in a relationship. Some say yes, some say no, most just plain don't care.
Timo Saloniemi
Vulcan children are telepathically bonded, and 20 something years later when they come of age, they're screaming at each other across stellar distances that they want some, and not just fom any one, but from their arranged mate... At least so in far as T'Pol and Spock go... Who I would have to classify as "upper class" in the echelons of a meritocracy because of how big wig there parents, that one has to ask why Vorik bonded with B'Elanna? Was he already bonded? Was he double bonded? proxy bonded, y'know, we've all been with someone while thinking of George Cloo,,, Someone else.
if they can bond multiply? You'd think that they would, given what's at sake. That polygamy or first come, first wed would... At least for the "lower classes" (not the children of lecturers and Ambassadors.) who have a little more trouble crossing the distances involved quickly to get their nookie before their heads explode.
if they can bond multiply? You'd think that they would, given what's at sake. That polygamy or first come, first wed would... At least for the "lower classes" (not the children of lecturers and Ambassadors.) who have a little more trouble crossing the distances involved quickly to get their nookie before their heads explode.
Didn't I once see a hot Vulcan woman striding the corridor with Chakotay?
I mean, couldn't the Vulcan community on board the ship get together and logically solve their mutual problem?
I mean, there's morality, and there's prudish extremism.
I mean, couldn't the Vulcan community on board the ship get together and logically solve their mutual problem?
I mean, there's morality, and there's prudish extremism.
I don't recall seeing any Vulcan women on Voyager, except for the holodeck images of Tuvok's wife.
To answer the pre-edited version of this post: no. The bond is established telepathically, and so that would not be a problem (can you just imagine what would happen to an all-Vulcan crew if it were?!
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To answer the pre-edited version of this post: no. The bond is established telepathically, and so that would not be a problem (can you just imagine what would happen to an all-Vulcan crew if it were?!
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I don't recall seeing any Vulcan women on Voyager, except for the holodeck images of Tuvok's wife.
To answer the pre-edited version of this post: no. The bond is established telepathically, and so that would not be a problem (can you just imagine what would happen to an all-Vulcan crew if it were?!
LOL
For those who missed it I asked if Vulcans' Pon Farr began to cycle together on long voyages.
It would be like a ship of Niel Patrick Harris clones. I can totally understand why Risa would activate their planetary shield and open fire.
I thought that Chakotay program was a huge personal violation, not to mention being downright creepy. This is another reason I don't buy the C/7 thing - I can't imagine actually dating someone after I found out they had, say, a shrine set up in their home with pictures of me, items I'd touched, etc. ...which is the modern-day equivalent of that holodeck program.
Folks - it don't get much more stalkeresque than that!
Now, Janeway and the Fair Haven guy is an entirely different story. That guy was a fantasy - not a real person she wanted to be with. And I think just about everyone at one time or another has a fantasy lover in mind.
Shoot - if we had holodeck technology I bet half the girls on the planet would have holodeck lovers. At least with a holo-lover we'd have an outside chance of not getting cheated on or otherwise being treated like shit by a guy. Which at times appears to be the normal MO for most men.
Real men enjoy being stalked.
It's the ultimate status symbol.
And, boiled bunny is delicious, although I do prefer my bunnies Kentucky Fried.
Although also, shouldn't this thread be about Kathy's "Boyfriends"? Since after she made those alterations to Michael, he was a uniquely different person entirely. I wonder how he would have felt if he found out that Janeway murdered his wife to make sure sure she could tea bag his potatoes? She's lucky he didn't push her down a stair well... If the program was left running like it was and Michael tried to marry anyone else, even Kathy, would the computer then also eliminate the new wife because we know what innocuous extremes the computer got to to comply tot he most arbitrary commands?
It's the ultimate status symbol.
And, boiled bunny is delicious, although I do prefer my bunnies Kentucky Fried.
Although also, shouldn't this thread be about Kathy's "Boyfriends"? Since after she made those alterations to Michael, he was a uniquely different person entirely. I wonder how he would have felt if he found out that Janeway murdered his wife to make sure sure she could tea bag his potatoes? She's lucky he didn't push her down a stair well... If the program was left running like it was and Michael tried to marry anyone else, even Kathy, would the computer then also eliminate the new wife because we know what innocuous extremes the computer got to to comply tot he most arbitrary commands?
Only half?Shoot - if we had holodeck technology I bet half the girls on the planet would have holodeck lovers. At least with a holo-lover we'd have an outside chance of not getting cheated on or otherwise being treated like shit by a guy. Which at times appears to be the normal MO for most men.
It just occurred to me that I could have a holodeck version of Carl Sagan to give me my very own private astronomy classes... *sigh*
You really need to dial it back...
^good point. Letters from and to home must have been awkward that month.
I think the worst hologram moment was the doctor pimping Vorik that vacant looking Vulcan girl in Blood Fever. It just made the Doctor look slimey.
I'm surprised that there wasn't a law governing peoples likeness on the holodeck the way there is governing the use of photographs and peoples images now. It seems an obvious place for there to be disputes.
I don't know why Fair Haven disappeared nor if I'm honest do I care. I was just glad it was gone. Sevens use of the Chak hologram was more creepy than Janeways hologram as he was a real person she worked with day in and day out, and given his 'you should spend more time socializing with the crew' speech at the end of the episode, I don't think he would have liked it. Not that Janeways holo-boyfriend was much better. On the upside it gave her one more characteristic. It appears she's the kind who has to change the man, rather than leave him be.
I think the worst hologram moment was the doctor pimping Vorik that vacant looking Vulcan girl in Blood Fever. It just made the Doctor look slimey.
I'm surprised that there wasn't a law governing peoples likeness on the holodeck the way there is governing the use of photographs and peoples images now. It seems an obvious place for there to be disputes.
I don't know why Fair Haven disappeared nor if I'm honest do I care. I was just glad it was gone. Sevens use of the Chak hologram was more creepy than Janeways hologram as he was a real person she worked with day in and day out, and given his 'you should spend more time socializing with the crew' speech at the end of the episode, I don't think he would have liked it. Not that Janeways holo-boyfriend was much better. On the upside it gave her one more characteristic. It appears she's the kind who has to change the man, rather than leave him be.
In the end though that was not her since she told the computer to deny her further access to his sub-routines. However, she did recognize that potential in herself an stepped back from it.
^Sorry! I was being sarcastic at the end of my post. I should have done something to indicate this like [/sarcasm]. I forget it doesn't read on the board, the same it does in my head.
It was a criticism of an episode that was of no value what so ever. It seemed to be aiming for every stereotype they could go for 'we're Orish villagers don't steal our lucky charms, top o'the morning'. Part of this stereotyping seemed to be the urge to give Janeway the desire to change her man, because y'know she's a woman and thats what they do. It didn't fit her character at all, there were no attempts in any other episode that featured a Janeway romance (Quasi or otherwise) by her to change the male. Mark, Kasyyshk (counterpoint-guy), Quarren* (workforce-guy), Commander Chakotay, she accepted them all for who they were. She was out of character in this episode in the way she acted.
(*I know this is the planets name, I can't remember his.)
It was a criticism of an episode that was of no value what so ever. It seemed to be aiming for every stereotype they could go for 'we're Orish villagers don't steal our lucky charms, top o'the morning'. Part of this stereotyping seemed to be the urge to give Janeway the desire to change her man, because y'know she's a woman and thats what they do. It didn't fit her character at all, there were no attempts in any other episode that featured a Janeway romance (Quasi or otherwise) by her to change the male. Mark, Kasyyshk (counterpoint-guy), Quarren* (workforce-guy), Commander Chakotay, she accepted them all for who they were. She was out of character in this episode in the way she acted.
(*I know this is the planets name, I can't remember his.)
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