Fact-Checking Inside Star Trek: The Real Story

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Harvey, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. Ryan Thomas Riddle

    Ryan Thomas Riddle Writer and occasional starship commander Premium Member

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  2. Maurice

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    I took a bullet reading those treatments for that article. Man what a stinking pile... even when trying to make a ham-fisted point against racism the thing ends up being unintentionally racist.

    @Harvey, you might wan to make this its own post, since I bet this will be of interest to some people who might never look into this thread.
     
  3. CorporalCaptain

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    That's a great read, @Harvey. Do you have any plans to treat any other episodes that were only partially developed, such as "The Protracted Man"?

    One note: I do not believe that the use of "hallucinogenics" as a synonym of "hallucinogens" is an error (you've used sic after it on the page about "Joanna").

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/hallucinogenic (noun, entry 2)

    I'm looking forward to learning what your project with @Maurice is. :)
     
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    Thanks for sharing. It's always fascinating to learn something new about TOS, even it is regarding how terrible some of those early script ideas were! ;)
     
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    Let's not make it a habit though, shall we?

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  6. mb22

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    Is the first part of the John D.F. Black's "From the First Day to the Last" available? I've only been able to get the second part.
     
  7. Harvey

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    As far as I know, it is not available. It wasn't in the papers and scripts Black donated to the WGA and only part two can be found in the UCLA papers.
     
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    I assume then that you based your review of the script on Part II alone?
     
  9. Harvey

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    That is correct.
     
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  10. Harvey

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    @1001001 This might be worth its own post, but I don't want to be accused of spamming the board. What's the verdict?

    (Just don't say death by snu-snu...)
     
  11. Mytran

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    I don't see how creating a thread to discuss a specific article could be considered spamming. Other threads are started with much, much less.
    If worried just add a disclaimer linking back to here, explaining why you're re-posting the link
     
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  12. Harvey

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    No plans at the moment -- for some of this stuff, I just don't have enough material -- but I never say never.

    Drat! The worst thing about What Culture is that once an article is published, I'm forced to live with every damned error in perpetuity...

    For now...I am sworn to secrecy. :D
     
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    Regarding these unfilmed Star Trek episodes, I'm thinking of how shows like Space: 1999 Year 2 ended up with so many terrible, rotten scripts-- while TOS aired so few that were even a little whiffy.

    The answer emerges that Star Trek had Roddenberry, Justman, and Fontana policing the scripts, and they were very skilled at this. A series with a lot of bad episodes has nobody like that, and their good episodes came about through luck.
     
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    WhatCulture and Grunge are two channels that I just can't watch. Seriously, since you're clearly on teh interwebz do a little research first, before making and publishing your videos.:rolleyes:
     
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    They had a talent for reading a whole script and not just seeing the trees (unspeakable dialog) but the forest (no action, Kirk doing very little in the second half, etc. etc.). I mean this is why they were working at this task at the highest levels (network TV), but it's something I kind of lack when reviewing/grading writing. Though I do get it in music better. I love reading their memos to each other, like in TMOST.

    In the Berman era, anybody know how the showrunners communicated? I assume the dictated memo was "out" by then; and they had a stable of writers in a "room" by then, so maybe they hashed out story bugs in person a lot.

    I SURE wish a Trek would go back to soliciting stories from the best sci fi writers, then having a story editor refine them into shape like before.
     
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    This thread is one of the most useful, I feel like you folks should pin it and let it be one of the few, if not the only, threads that can be added to even after the deadline. But, that's just me. Thanks for letting it stay open.

    I just did a binge of the entire run of Space:1999 and it's clear that they really tried sometimes. There were a lot of cooks in the kitchen, maybe even more than Star Trek. ITC America had demands, Lew Grade wanted things, Freiberger had his idea of what he wanted to do, Martin Landau was in a constant state of rebellion, plus the stories were all from UK writers submitting for a series that needed to be heavily slanted towards Americans and they really needed a clearer idea of what the show needed. "Make them real people, write honest adventure, no abstract concepts, add humor...and GO!"

    Like Star Trek, the series creator stepped right back and let his new showrunner do what he wanted. The best episodes of that year were those with ideas behind the adventure. The worst were the mindless action romps penned by Freiberger himself, fresh off a stint at Hanna Barbera, who felt he could do "wild things" in Saturday Morning TV and brought that mentality to 1999.
     
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    1001001 Pull Up a Groove and Get Fabulous! Moderator

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    Actually, according to the rules, that's what you should do. :techman:

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  18. BillJ

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    The above isn't a video, it is an article.

    Might want to do a little research first before criticizing someone. :p
     
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    What Culture has a YouTube channel, and regardless of the medium used to publish content, the point is valid.

    But that thanks for calling, have a great day and don't forget to pick up your consolation prize. ;)
     
  20. BillJ

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    I honestly have no issues with What Culture, not sure what yours even is. Sometimes they even put out an entertaining video or two. :shrug: