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Excelsior TV series

ColeMercury

Lieutenant Commander
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I've mentioned this idea on a couple of other threads already but I figured I should give it a thread of its own.

There's a few things which lead me to conclude that an Excelsior TV series would be the perfect thing to re-introduce Star Trek to television.

First and foremost, it's that any such series would have to get back to the fundamentals of what Star Trek is about as a show (I mean in terms of basic concept, not ideals and such). Star Trek is, at its most basic level, a show about trekking through the stars. And let's face it -- Star Trek is dead on TV right now and has been since 2005. Any new series will have to function as a re-introduction to Star Trek on television, for the audience who never grew up watching it.

Now, I'm very much a Niner. But Deep Space Nine was a variation on the Star Trek theme, and that's something that they can't afford to do. Deep Space Nine was only able to branch out the way it did because The Next Generation had provided such a solid foundation. The next series has to provide a foundation for future Star Trek TV in the same way TNG did. Start off by taking it back to a lone ship exploring the frontier, and then let future spin-offs make the variations on the theme.

(That's not to say that the series should ignore valuable lessons learned from DS9, like proper character development and continuing storylines. I'm just saying that mixing up the formula of Star Trek would only work when the audience is conscious there's a formula to mix up in the first place.)

So, why Excelsior specifically? Well, there's a few reasons for that.

I'm operating on the assumption that they won't be able to get all the Abramsverse cast together to commit to a TV series. We'll most likely get a trilogy out of them and that will be it. But the Abramsverse is the way in which Star Trek has been introduced to a new generation, so it makes little sense to abandon it completely after the movies are done. The way to get carry-over audience from the movies to the new series is to make the new show grow organically out from the movies, as a proper continuation. If they take the approach of a throwing a dart at a timeline blindfolded and going "Let's set it in the year 2XXX in the aftermath of an inevitable massive interstellar war!" then it's more likely that people who saw the movies and enjoyed them just aren't going to bother.

And the thing about Excelsior is it's not coming out of nowhere: it's an established feature in the Star Trek universe, and could potentially have had a series made from it back in the 90s (most likely in place of DS9). The advantage of the Abramsverse is the opportunity to re-visit ideas like this.

And there's also this: we know that John Cho does TV. He was in Flash-Forward and he was pretty damn good in it. I think Star Trek is best when it's a proper ensemble piece, but I reckon he could be the lead.

Now, you don't want the TV series to be too reliant on the movies (after all, you want new viewers too) but the thing is, the show doesn't have to come right on the heels of the movies -- they can include a time-skip, so that it's set maybe a decade or so afterwards. It's breathing space, and sets it almost a generation after Star Trek '09, but it's not too much distance either.

(And why can we get away with a decade-long time-skip? Because John Cho is about a decade older than his character Sulu. He's 39 years old now. And if we say that Star Trek 2 is coming out late next year and Star Trek 3 coming out in 2016, then Star Trek: Excelsior can come out the next year -- Cho will be 45 years old by then, which seems about right.)

So how do we begin? If there's going to be any torch-passing in the pilot episode (as they did with McCoy in "Encounter at Farpoint", Picard in "Emissary", Quark in "The Caretaker" and Cochrane in "Broken Bow") then I think the person to do it should be Spock. As played by Zachary Quinto, that is. The character is popular, the actor does TV, and what's more he canonically ages slowly (so they can get away with the time-skip with him).

And, now, characters. Obviously I haven't mapped out who every single member of the main cast should be, but I do have some ideas on who could be included. We want this show to be new, of course, but not completely throwing you in the deep end either. To that end, here's some characters we've seen before whom I think could be included:

  • Sulu, obviously.
  • Janice Rand, who was seen as the Excelsior's communications officer in The Undiscovered Country. It'd be nice to see that she had some hidden depths.
  • Saavik. They'd be able to properly explore the idea of her being half-Romulan, which should be interesting. Her presence would actually make Spock's appearance in the pilot episode all the more fitting, come to think of it.
  • Dax. Because why not? And just for fun, let's make Dax a male this time. In fact, let's make him Torias Dax (who doesn't die in a shuttle crash this time, obviously). He seemed cool.
  • This isn't an established character, but someone made the suggestion a few months ago and I think it's brilliance: an Andorian, played by Pauley Perrette.
So, that's it. Thoughts, questions, comments?
 
Interesting. I'd watch a John Cho-Sulu series.

One problem, though. How do we know Saavik wasn't on Vulcan? :p
 
Whilst I would love to see a new series on TV and admit an Excelsior-based jaunt would be a great thing to see (I love the class), considering how split Trek fans are on "09", you might get a new audience introduced to the franchise, but alienate those that did grow up with it.

They tried doing that with Enterprise when it wasn't foreshadowed with the title "Star Trek", and we all know how that went.

I didn't mind the new film (I probably will watch them in the future, just to get a fix of new Trek) and agree that John Cho could do well in a series of his own. I would also love to see Rand and Saavik (though I believe that in the time period it would be Emony the gymnast who was hosting Dax) in a series, so that they could be developed--especially Saavik's Romulan lineage.

One small thing that would bother me though, is that seeing how some sources put the Nu-Enterpise at roughly 2.3 times larger than the Prime-Enterprise, the Nu-Excelsior would be around 1.1km in length, which just seems daft to me.

That's just my thoughts however.
 
So, to summarize, this is the pitch: "Excelsior is the adventures of that guy John Cho is playing in the Star Trek movies. It's got more of the same adventure stuff you liked in the movies, but not the other characters, except Spock, who will be in just the premiere."

Yknow what, it could work. Cho is a likeable actor. Whether he could carry a series is a risk, though, and not just because he's not white (but let's not be naive enough to think that's not a risk, too.) My hunch is that the bigger risk is that he's not a commanding, beefy type of actor. Get some guy who looks like a young Robau and you'll have a surer bet.

Don't assume character like Rand, Saavik or Dax are draws. The safest assumption is that the audience knows nothing beyond what they've seen in Abrams' movies.

So here's the biggest question: which channel will this series be on?

One problem, though. How do we know Saavik wasn't on Vulcan?
Because she's still alive.
 
Cho is a likeable actor. Whether he could carry a series is a risk
It would depend on who else we can pile up around him. One B-list name actor (actress) near the top of the credits. Plus a couple more C-list semi-name actors like Cho himself. And then four or five new-comers that the audience hopefully would be interested in.

This isn't an established character, but someone made the suggestion a few months ago and I think it's brilliance: an Andorian, played by Pauley Perrette.
I'm less than happy with the thought of my beautiful Abby painted blue, but I'd want her in any new incarnation of Star Trek. She apparently has a decent sized fan following, that she would hopefully bring to the show. Pauley could be one of the "semi-name stars." Possible first officer, but the one B-list actor would more likely be in that role. She under contract to CBS already and could torch pass in a way from NCIS, with all of those fans. Being tied even extremely loosely to a number one show can't hurt.

Pauley sings "FEAR."

torch-passing ... I think the person to do it should be Spock. As played by Zachary Quinto
Better still might be Nimoy himself, his voice was on (was it Fringe?) last night, he was animated. So he not completely retired. He was also one of the Transformer robot's voices, in the last Transformer movies. A torch passing from resent Science fiction TV and movies, plus the original Star Trek of course. Cho would be the torch passer from ST Eleven, so Quinto is unnecessary.


Janice Rand, one of the exceptions in a cast that realistically will be mostly young, having someone who is Sulu's contemporary in age, would be good, a confidant.

Saavik, big yes. lots of ground to explore, but let her be to sole familiar alien species from the previous series.

Dax is a low end maybe. Would depend heavily on who was cast (that applies to all), a new and completely different alien crewmember might be better.

I'd also like to see two of the characters in a Quark and Odo type relationship. Not cop and criminal, but something that would inject a small amount of whimsical comedy into the show, like what Data and LaForge would sometimes do.

Shhhh (gay character) Shhhh.

Does anyone think it's time for a full time cgi character, or is the technology not quite up to speed yet?

One problem, though. How do we know Saavik wasn't on Vulcan?
Because she's still alive.
Might have been on one of the handful of ships that escaped Vulcan.

:)
 
Does anyone think it's time for a full time cgi character, or is the technology not quite up to speed yet?
Have you been watching Falling Skies? I don't know if the Skitters are 100% CGI but they are convincing enough that the show could have a Skitter character. So yeah...
 
So, to summarize, this is the pitch: "Excelsior is the adventures of that guy John Cho is playing in the Star Trek movies. It's got more of the same adventure stuff you liked in the movies, but not the other characters, except Spock, who will be in just the premiere."
Pretty much. Although it's not like I'm restricting the appearances of the other movie characters as guest appearances -- if the actors are available it'd be great to write them in as guest stars, but I think Spock would be the best one to go first and help kick-start the whole thing.

Don't assume character like Rand, Saavik or Dax are draws. The safest assumption is that the audience knows nothing beyond what they've seen in Abrams' movies.
You're right, but I didn't put them in because I thought they'd be draws -- I put them in just because I thought it'd be kinda cool to have them.
 
Does anyone think it's time for a full time cgi character, or is the technology not quite up to speed yet?
Have you been watching Falling Skies? I don't know if the Skitters are 100% CGI but they are convincing enough that the show could have a Skitter character. So yeah...

The technology is there, and it's been there since at least Jar Jar Binks. What we don't know is if the technology is cheap enough for a main character on a TV budget. The Skitter's are rarely shown for more than a minute or two per episode. Human form Cylons were created for nuBSG because the CGI was too expensive to regularly show the robots. A new Star Trek show could probably have 100% CGI aliens on occasion. But given the expense of a space opera in general, I doubt the show would have the budget for a CGI main character.
 
There could be a CGI alien as a recurring character. Maybe there could be one that's contrived to be seen as alien sometimes and as human other times (which would be more in the Trek tradition anyway).

For instance, what if Medusans become Federation members and join Starfleet by wearing humanoid "exoskeletons" to avoid the sparkly-light danger to their fellow Starfleeters? Then the character is depicted by an actor most of the time, and by CGI swirling sparkly lights on unusual occasions.
 
Cho's showed a willingness to do television (then again, so has Quinto -- why not use them both?) and would make for an interesting choice as an actor. This might not be a bad jumping off point once the Abrams films are over.
 
I agree that the premise has potential. Cho is an appealing actor, he's been a joint supporting actor and has a reasonable range. The characters of Rand and Saavik do have a lot of untapped potential - particularly Saavik, whose joint heritage and emotional issues would be fertile ground for writers.

Assuming Saavik was 30 in 2285 she would be a toddler at the time of Vulcan's destruction and therefore would still be on Hellguard. She's fine.
 
Should Vaughn Armstrong and Jeffery Combs be included in the main cast this time around?

I would say after all their guest appearances they kinda deserve a shot at a starring role :lol:
 
Well if we are just shooting the breeze, then I vote for a CGI Mister Arex as a recurring/regular.
That'd be kind of awesome.

No, actually, I think an animatronic Arex would be better -- you know, like Pilot in Farscape. I prefer tangible to computer-generated. Plus it'd probably be cheaper, and the show wouldn't become dated as quickly with the CG quality.
 
The idea of a Star Trek: Excelsior television series had appeal after Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country in the early to mid-1990s, filling in some of the gaps between the end of the TOS movies and the beginning of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Futher, George Takei seemed very keen on portraying Captain Sulu in a television or motion picture series.

But there seems to be little point in creating a Star Trek: Excelsior television series in 2011 after the reboot button has been pressed and Takei and the surviving TOS cast members being too old to reprise their roles and the sets, props, models, and costumes having been sold to collectors at auction or destroyed.
 
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