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Evidence of life on Titan.

My Puns Will Go On (and on....) :evil:

It's been 84 years, and I can still smell the fresh paint. The china had never been used. The sheets had never been slept in. Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.

:(

All out of puns. That's all I have.

What we were talking about... a moon, right?

I'm pretty sure it's no moon. It's a space station.

Anyway, the news is actually being carried on several science websites.
I found an article here on the New Scientist Website:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19005-hints-of-life-found-on-saturn-moon.html
Saw the article this morning, but the title's a bit misleading. As the second sentence of the article states:

But scientists are quick to point out that non-biological chemical reactions could also be behind the observations.
It's still pretty much at the "Wouldn't it be cool if... ?" stage, at this point, and that's a very big "if".
 
It's been 84 years, and I can still smell the fresh paint. The china had never been used. The sheets had never been slept in. Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.

:(

All out of puns. That's all I have.

What we were talking about... a moon, right?

I'm pretty sure it's no moon. It's a space station.

Anyway, the news is actually being carried on several science websites.
I found an article here on the New Scientist Website:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19005-hints-of-life-found-on-saturn-moon.html
Saw the article this morning, but the title's a bit misleading, as the second sentence of the article states:

But scientists are quick to point out that non-biological chemical reactions could also be behind the observations.
It's still pretty much at the "Wouldn't it be cool if... ?" stage, at this point, and that's a very big "if".

Agreed, but it definitely is cool to think about. It would be exciting if found to be true. I'm always cautious about such claims because they are so easy to believe (because I want it to be true), and like you said, it just seems to be a bit of creative reporting. Still, interesting times we live in. :D
 
I'm pretty sure it's no moon. It's a space station.

Anyway, the news is actually being carried on several science websites.
I found an article here on the New Scientist Website:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19005-hints-of-life-found-on-saturn-moon.html
Saw the article this morning, but the title's a bit misleading, as the second sentence of the article states:

But scientists are quick to point out that non-biological chemical reactions could also be behind the observations.
It's still pretty much at the "Wouldn't it be cool if... ?" stage, at this point, and that's a very big "if".

Agreed, but it definitely is cool to think about. It would be exciting if found to be true. I'm always cautious about such claims because they are so easy to believe (because I want it to be true), and like you said, it just seems to be a bit of creative reporting. Still, interesting times we live in. :D
Oh, no question. Is why I follow the Cassini news pretty closely. They have some great pictures, too. :cool:
 
Okay, New Scientist is legit, if a bit gaudy sometimes; I'm not familiar with Ars Technica. This is definitely a phenomenon to keep an eye on, but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
 
Sorry, the words "Daily Mail" automatically invalidate the story - they're probably just preparing to complain about all these Titanians coming to earth, stealing our unemployment benefits...
 
This is definitely a phenomenon to keep an eye on, but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
That's pretty much what NASA has said.

"Scientific conservatism suggests that a biological explanation should be the last choice after all non-biological explanations are addressed," Allen said. "We have a lot of work to do to rule out possible non-biological explanations. It is more likely that a chemical process, without biology, can explain these results - for example, reactions involving mineral catalysts."
 
This is definitely a phenomenon to keep an eye on, but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
That's pretty much what NASA has said.

"Scientific conservatism suggests that a biological explanation should be the last choice after all non-biological explanations are addressed," Allen said. "We have a lot of work to do to rule out possible non-biological explanations. It is more likely that a chemical process, without biology, can explain these results - for example, reactions involving mineral catalysts."
Most of that same quote also appeared in the New Scientist article linked upthread.

Sorry, the words "Daily Mail" automatically invalidate the story - they're probably just preparing to complain about all these Titanians coming to earth, stealing our unemployment benefits...
...impregnating the obese taxpayers...
 
I just received a link to this article, posted on the Cassini imaging team's website. It reads, in part:

Have we discovered evidence for life on Titan?

by Chris McKay, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field CA. (chris.mckay@nasa.gov)

Recent results from the Cassini mission suggest that hydrogen and acetylene are depleted at the surface of Titan. Both results are still preliminary and the hydrogen loss in particular is the result of a computer calculation, and not a direct measurement. However the findings are interesting for astrobiology. Heather Smith and I, in a paper published 5 years ago (McKay and Smith, 2005) suggested that methane-based (rather than water-based) life – ie, organisms called methanogens -- on Titan could consume hydrogen, acetylene, and ethane. The key conclusion of that paper (last line of the abstract) was "The results of the recent Huygens probe could indicate the presence of such life by anomalous depletions of acetylene and ethane as well as hydrogen at the surface."

Now there seems to be evidence for all three of these on Titan. Clark et al. (2010, in press in JGR) are reporting depletions of acetylene at the surface. And it has been long appreciated that there is not as much ethane as expected on the surface of Titan. And now Strobel (2010, in press in Icarus) predicts a strong flux of hydrogen into the surface.

This is a still a long way from "evidence of life". However, it is extremely interesting.

[...]

In conclusion, there are four possibilities for the recently reported findings, listed in order of their likely reality:

1. The determination that there is a strong flux of hydrogen into the surface is mistaken. It will be interesting to see if other researchers, in trying to duplicate Strobel's results, reach the same conclusion.

2. There is a physical process that is transporting H2 from the upper atmosphere into the lower atmosphere. One possibility is adsorption onto the solid organic atmospheric haze particles which eventually fall to the ground. However this would be a flux of H2, and not a net loss of H2.

3. If the loss of hydrogen at the surface is correct, the non-biological explanation requires that there be some sort of surface catalyst, presently unknown, that can mediate the hydrogenation reaction at 95 K, the temperature of the Titan surface. That would be quite interesting and a startling find although not as startling as the presence of life.

4. The depletion of hydrogen, acetylene, and ethane, is due to a new type of liquid-methane based life form as predicted (Benner et al. 2004, McKay and Smith 2005, and Schulze-Makuch and Grinspoon 2005).
I have omitted a lot of technical stuff in the body of the article, but the portion quoted above should give a pretty good idea of what the discovery may signify. To read it complete, go here:

http://www.ciclops.org/news/making_sense.php?id=6431&js=1


Edit:

Okay, this was funny:

Carolyn Porco on Twitter said:
Just got an email from someone `applying' to be among those folks we send to Titan. This has really sparked some excitement, hasn't it?!
 
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