everything you know is wrong! (recent comicbook spoilers)

[JoeZhang]

"everything you know is wrong!" has been used a number of times with comic characters. Last week, for example - it was revealed that

Spoiler: spoilers about Hawkman

All of Hawkman's memories were false and that EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG!

Has this ever really improved a character? The only time I can think where it actually worked is where Alan Moore turned swamp thing on his head.

Any other examples of where it enhanced a character?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

(about the spoiler)

What, AGAIN?!?!??!?!?!

 

[Yassim]

It also worked for Alan Moore's Miracleman/Marvelman.

Does Robinson's Starman count?

Ellis' Planetary feels like that, tho' I guess it really isn't in the same "universe"... sort of.

How about One More Brave New Day?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Geez, leave well enought alone. The Johns/Robinson fix worked.

 

[JoeZhang]

(about the spoiler)

What, AGAIN?!?!??!?!?!

You might think I'm making up the following but this is how it goes down:

Spoiler: Hawkman spoilers

Hawkman encounters a powerful being called "nameless" - who says "every noticed your history as an egyptian prince doesn't make any sense?" and Hawkman says "hey you are right, I never noticed!" and then the guy pulls a cube out of Hawkman's chest and crushes it. This cube contains his memories - which are all fake. Hawkman then cries and says "it's all fading!"

 

[JoeZhang]

It also worked for Alan Moore's Miracleman/Marvelman.

Does Robinson's Starman count?

Ellis' Planetary feels like that, tho' I guess it really isn't in the same "universe"... sort of.

How about One More Brave New Day?

Can you expand a bit on Starman? I'm not sure what you are referencing? I don't remember Robinson doing that sort of story?

Here's another - Mark Shaw (Manhunter), his backstory was erased and replaced with "you were off your face on drugs and pretty much dreamed everything".

 

[Professor Zoom]

(about the spoiler)

What, AGAIN?!?!??!?!?!

You might think I'm making up the following but this is how it goes down:

Spoiler: Hawkman spoilers

Hawkman encounters a powerful being called "nameless" - who says "every noticed your history as an egyptian prince doesn't make any sense?" and Hawkman says "hey you are right, I never noticed!" and then the guy pulls a cube out of Hawkman's chest and crushes it. This cube contains his memories - which are all fake. Hawkman then cries and says "it's all fading!"

That. Is. Awful.
What is DC doing?

 

[Yassim]

Can you expand a bit on Starman? I'm not sure what you are referencing? I don't remember Robinson doing that sort of story?

Robinson's run on Starman introduces Jack Knight, son of Ted Knight, the original Starman from the 40's, who takes on the role. I guess it doesn't really fit what you're talking about, since it doesn't invalidate any of the character's history.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

DC has got to be doing this shit on purpose. I cannot believe they would be so thoroughly inept as to screw up Hawkman AGAIN. They are playing with us!

 

[Ben Sisko3]

That. Is. Awful.
What is DC doing?

Aside from "everything wrong"? Not much.

 

[C.E. Evans]

(about the spoiler)

What, AGAIN?!?!??!?!?!

You might think I'm making up the following but this is how it goes down:

Spoiler: Hawkman spoilers

Hawkman encounters a powerful being called "nameless" - who says "every noticed your history as an egyptian prince doesn't make any sense?" and Hawkman says "hey you are right, I never noticed!" and then the guy pulls a cube out of Hawkman's chest and crushes it. This cube contains his memories - which are all fake. Hawkman then cries and says "it's all fading!"

That. Is. Awful.
What is DC doing?

IMO, this was decided as the easiest way to clean up the royal mess that Hawkman's background became over the years and to eventually move the character forward as a major player in the DC Universe.

Crisis of Infinite Hawkmen...

 

[Professor Zoom]

IMO, this was decided as the easiest way to clean up the royal mess that Hawkman's background became over the years and to eventually move the character forward as a major player in the DC Universe.

Crisis of Infinite Hawkmen...

I thought they had FINALLY cleaned it up with the most recent incarnation of Carter Hall.

Or at least good enough that people could ignore the rest.

 

[C.E. Evans]

IMO, this was decided as the easiest way to clean up the royal mess that Hawkman's background became over the years and to eventually move the character forward as a major player in the DC Universe.

Crisis of Infinite Hawkmen...

I thought they had FINALLY cleaned it up with the most recent incarnation of Carter Hall.

Or at least good enough that people could ignore the rest.

They did, but they couldn't leave it alone.

 

[JoeZhang]

You might think I'm making up the following but this is how it goes down:

Spoiler: Hawkman spoilers

Hawkman encounters a powerful being called "nameless" - who says "every noticed your history as an egyptian prince doesn't make any sense?" and Hawkman says "hey you are right, I never noticed!" and then the guy pulls a cube out of Hawkman's chest and crushes it. This cube contains his memories - which are all fake. Hawkman then cries and says "it's all fading!"

That. Is. Awful.
What is DC doing?

IMO, this was decided as the easiest way to clean up the royal mess that Hawkman's background became over the years and to eventually move the character forward as a major player in the DC Universe.

Crisis of Infinite Hawkmen...

It pretty much was cleaned up at this stage - the trick is not to dwell on what came before. The other problem is that his history as Khafu overlaps with way way too many over characters to say "it never happened".

 

[TemporalFlux]

They did, but they couldn't leave it alone.

It's just like everything else Johns does for DC; they screw it up as soon as possible. Johns is now going back to Flash to try to fix the royal mess DC created; Johns will likely end up going back to Hawkman in the future to clean up this new mess. Johns is treated like the maid, and I imagine he'll get fed up with it eventually.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

I think that DC got jealous at how bad Spider-Man has gotten and decided to do it to one of their characters. Not Batman though or Superman. Just a side character to test the waters.

 

[Ben Sisko3]

They did, but they couldn't leave it alone.

It's just like everything else Johns does for DC; they screw it up as soon as possible.

That's the one thing I like about DC right now, as I have a strong distaste for Johns. Anyone who can make me actively not care about a majority of both the Marvel (Avengers) and DC (Green Lantern, Flash, Justice Society) universes gets thumbs down from me.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Geoff Johns has done a wonderful job on Green Lantern. The War was not only outstanding but beautifully drawn and crafted as well.

 

[TheArsenal]

Where (which title) did these newest Hawkman revelations take place?

Johns is DC's version of a fixer for the mob. I imagine he sits in a dark room waiting for the phone to ring. "Geoff. We got a problem with The Justice Society. Doesn't make a bit of sense. Time lines are screwed beyond recognition. Get out there and clean it up."

Too bad things don't stay "fixed".

 

[Ben Sisko3]

Geoff Johns has done a wonderful job on Green Lantern. The War was not only outstanding but beautifully drawn and crafted as well.

Wonderful to some, obnoxious and self-important to others.