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Everything Old is New Again

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MAGolding

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Everyone who saw Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan probably remembers that in some scenes Dr. David Marcus wears a sweater, with the arms tied around his chest.

http://motionpicturescomics.com/wp-...P.StarTrekII.22.re-lettered.flattened.sm_.gif

http://motionpicturescomics.com/wp-...P.StarTrekII.22.re-lettered.flattened.sm_.gif

And that is not just a goofy style of the fictional 23rd century of Star Trek, but also a goofy style of the real 20th century when the movie was made.

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https://medium.com/@lifetailored/ho...-5-style-moves-to-steal-from-him-3a097792cc9c

And the 20th century might not have been the first time at somewhat similar style was in fashion.

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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/805299977088893177/

I'm sure that wasn't fashionable during the lifetime of Edward V (1470-1483?), since medieval persons always used broaches to pin the two parts of their cloaks together. But it could have been fashionable when that drawing was made sometime during the 535 years between 1483 and 2018.

Julia Cornelia Paulina was a Roman noblewoman married to the teenage emperor known as Elagablus in 219 to 220. And this bust supposedly of her shows that at the time it was made it was fashionable to tie shawls or capes together.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia...arble_(3rd_century_A.D.)_-_Ephesus_Museum.JPG
 
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The photos aren't showing up.

As for David Marcus' outfit, Jack Tripper wore something similar on Three's Company (thankfully only in the one episode).
 
Well, here's one of those images, showing David Marcus wearing a sweater:
http://motionpicturescomics.com/wp-...P.StarTrekII.22.re-lettered.flattened.sm_.gif
Here is a link to a discussion of men wearing sweaters tied around their necks with pictcures from TV shows and movies:

https://www.askandyaboutclothes.com...-tied-around-their-necks-in-real-life.229158/

Here is a an image of King Edward V (1470-1483?) wearing the ends of his cloak tied around his neck/chest.

stock-photo-edward-v-king-of-england-c1485-c1650-artist-anon-60096711.html


Or may not. I can't get the image to appear. Anyway, here is a link to the image:

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-edward-v-king-of-england-c1485-c1650-artist-anon-60096711.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=9923BA93-406A-40E3-8884-935522C645CB&p=668155&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo=bar&st=0&pn=1&ps=100&sortby=2&resultview=sortbyPopular&npgs=0&qt=edward%20v&qt_raw=edward%20v&lic=3&mr=0&pr=0&ot=0&creative=&ag=0&hc=0&pc=&blackwhite=&cutout=&tbar=1&et=0x000000000000000000000&vp=0&loc=0&imgt=0&dtfr=&dtto=&size=0xFF&archive=1&groupid=&pseudoid=&a=&cdid=&cdsrt=&name=&qn=&apalib=&apalic=&lightbox=&gname=&gtype=&xstx=0&simid=&saveQry=&editorial=1&nu=&t=&edoptin=&customgeoip=&cap=1&cbstore=1&vd=0&lb=&fi=2&edrf=&ispremium=1&flip=0

I'm sure that wasn't the fashion in 1483, but it might have been the fashion when that old drawing was made, sometime in the 535 years between 1483 and 2018.

And here is a link to an image of a bust of Julia Cornelia Paula, the wife of Emperor Elagabalus in 2019 to 220:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia...arble_(3rd_century_A.D.)_-_Ephesus_Museum.JPG

And here is a link to a bust of Emperor Commodus (reigned 180 to 192) dressed as Hercules and wearing a lion skin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodus#/media/File:Commodus_Musei_Capitolini_MC1120.jpg
 
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Interestingly enough, the ad at the top of this page when I loaded it awhile ago was a polo shirt by Ralph Lauren or something showing a model with his sweater tied in the distinctive David Marcus-style (apparently it's fashionable now). The discussion you posted points out that it is simply a logical way of carrying an extra sweater or shirt, or (in olden days) fastening a cape in an easily removable fashion.
 
MAGolding said:
Well, here's one of those images, showing David Marcus wearing a sweater:
http://motionpicturescomics.com/wp-...P.StarTrekII.22.re-lettered.flattened.sm_.gif
Here is a link to a discussion of men wearing sweaters tied around their necks with pictcures from TV shows and movies:

https://www.askandyaboutclothes.com...-tied-around-their-necks-in-real-life.229158/

Here is a an image of King Edward V (1470-1483?) wearing the ends of his cloak tied around his neck/chest.

stock-photo-edward-v-king-of-england-c1485-c1650-artist-anon-60096711.html


Or may not. I can't get the image to appear. Anyway, here is a link to the image:

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-edward-v-king-of-england-c1485-c1650-artist-anon-60096711.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=9923BA93-406A-40E3-8884-935522C645CB&p=668155&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo=bar&st=0&pn=1&ps=100&sortby=2&resultview=sortbyPopular&npgs=0&qt=edward%20v&qt_raw=edward%20v&lic=3&mr=0&pr=0&ot=0&creative=&ag=0&hc=0&pc=&blackwhite=&cutout=&tbar=1&et=0x000000000000000000000&vp=0&loc=0&imgt=0&dtfr=&dtto=&size=0xFF&archive=1&groupid=&pseudoid=&a=&cdid=&cdsrt=&name=&qn=&apalib=&apalic=&lightbox=&gname=&gtype=&xstx=0&simid=&saveQry=&editorial=1&nu=&t=&edoptin=&customgeoip=&cap=1&cbstore=1&vd=0&lb=&fi=2&edrf=&ispremium=1&flip=0

I'm sure that wasn't the fashion in 1483, but it might have been the fashion when that old drawing was made, sometime in the 535 years between 1483 and 2018.

And here is a link to an image of a bust of Julia Cornelia Paula, the wife of Emperor Elagabalus in 2019 to 220:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia...arble_(3rd_century_A.D.)_-_Ephesus_Museum.JPG

And here is a link to a bust of Emperor Commodus (reigned 180 to 192) dressed as Hercules and wearing a lion skin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodus#/media/File:Commodus_Musei_Capitolini_MC1120.jpg
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The picture of King Edward V appears to be that of a cloak tied around his shoulders. In most cases capes were tied with strings, cords, or had pins or clasps. But in a pinch a cloak that wasn't too heavy or elaborate could just be tied.

Same with the Roman men. Roman women sometimes wore garments that were somewhat between a shawl and a cloak, and this appears to be the case here.

I'm not sure what's up with Emperor Commodus. He was one of the more bizarre emperors (that said, his depiction in the "Gladiator" movie was made-up BS).

The Old Mixer said:
I've converted that image to a link twice now, assuming that's not your web page. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Are non-premium members allowed to attach images to their posts, to avoid hotlinking?
 
Timewalker said:
That's not what I asked. I asked about attaching images, which is different from hotlinking.

Are non-premium members allowed to attach images to posts if they've saved them to their computers first?
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They don't have the option.
 
David wasn't the first to wear a sweater like that, and won't be the last. As I mentioned, there was an episode of Three's Company in which Jack wore a sweater like that. I don't remember which season, though it would have been close to when TWoK was released.
 
Tim Thomason said:
Wikimedia explicitly allows hotlinking of their images, especially public domain images as both were above, but the mod saw fit to ignore this and change it to links anyway.
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"The mod" does not claim an encyclopedic knowledge of other sites and their policies. The mod does know this board's policy, which is to only embed images from an image hosting site or your own web space. And the mod does not see "wiki" anywhere in the link to that image.
 
The Old Mixer said:
"The mod" does not claim an encyclopedic knowledge of other sites and their policies. The mod does know this board's policy, which is to only embed images from an image hosting site or your own web space. And the mod does not see "wiki" anywhere in the link to that image.
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Most of those links in both posts are not to Wikipedia, and some I can't even tell because the image is broken (probably more hotlinking?). In any event it's not our job to figure all that out.

@The Old Mixer did a kindness by converting al those hotlinked images to regular links, and instead of thanks he gets shit for it.

If I had found this wafer-thin thread first, I would have just closed it.
 
In the interest of disclosure, all but the first images in those posts were already links. It was just the one image from motionpicturescomics.com that I converted to a link in both posts.

And about that last part...don't let me stop you.
 
Fair enough. I’m still seeing 4 broken images...?

In any event I suppose it’s harmless enough. How to Wear a Sweater Through the Ages...enjoy!

:beer:
 
That’s really weird. I see 3 x’s in the first post and one in the second, both on my desktop and my iPhone.

The weirdness continues.
 
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