Event alluded to by Bryan Fuller.

[Jedi Marso]

RAISE THE TITANIC.

Seriously, the point stands. TITANIC didn't lack suspense or drama because we all knew the ship was going to sink in the end, in large part because we were invested with the characters of Jack and Rose and didn't know if they were going to survive or end up together or whatever.

Same with the new show. People will keep watching to find out what happens to Lt. Protagonist and her crew, and to see how they cope with whatever alien crisis or mystery they encounter, regardless of whether or not we all know that Romulus is going to blow up a hundred years later that the Klingons will eventually be our allies, etc. The future history of the Federation doesn't matter when it comes to getting caught up in a story set years earlier.

I mean, look at Indiana Jones. We all knew that the Nazis weren't going to win World War II, but that didn't make RAIDERS any less exciting.

"Indy, you must stop Hitler from claiming the Ark!"

"Why? I happen to know that seventy years from now that the USA and Germany will be staunch allies and partners in NATO . . .."

I get it. It's just that prequels put restrictions on where you can go and what you can do with the show in relation to what you know comes after. Although it wasn't my first choice, I'm actually okay with a TOS-era series. That's hands down my favorite era of Trek, where the post-Dominion War era is probably my least favorite, ironically enough.

But if they are going to do 'TOS' era Trek, I hope they are able to capture the feel and magic of that era. Not that it has to be a 60's era retro joke, but you know what I mean. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new series even though I don't plan to watch it on All Access. I may have to activate my cloak and go spoiler free for a while.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

I get it. It's just that prequels put restrictions on where you can go and what you can do with the show in relation to what you know comes after. Although it wasn't my first choice, I'm actually okay with a TOS-era series. That's hands down my favorite era of Trek, where the post-Dominion War era is probably my least favorite, ironically enough.

But if they are going to do 'TOS' era Trek, I hope they are able to capture the feel and magic of that era. Not that it has to be a 60's era retro joke, but you know what I mean. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new series even though I don't plan to watch it on All Access. I may have to activate my cloak and go spoiler free for a while.

So, if someone makes a TV series set in, say, Australia during the late 1930s/early 1940s, they're going to be severely handicapped in what kind of stories they tell? What if the TV series was about some steampunk spacefarers who left Earth in the year 1880, but the series began 60 years after the launch? Are they, too, limited to the sorts of stories they can tell or the possibilities open to them?

If those rhetoricals weren't enough to get my point across, I'll be more succinct: The world is a big place. The galaxy, even more so.

 

[Jedi Marso]

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Wow. Go back and re-read the first three words of my post which you quoted.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

You said you got it, but then immediately -- and quite clearly -- showed you didn't.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

When I go, I want to go by exploding my dying body over everyone in the ER, knowing that I, Spider, yes I, have the power to make 50 people spontaneously vomit.

I won't come close to Berman and Braga's record though.

Or Takashi Miike's.

 

[Mudd]

I mean, look at Indiana Jones. We all knew that the Nazis weren't going to win World War II, but that didn't make RAIDERS any less exciting.

"Indy, you must stop Hitler from claiming the Ark!"

"Why? I happen to know that seventy years from now Germany will be running the EU..."

FIFY.

 

[jamestyler]

So, if someone makes a TV series set in, say, Australia during the late 1930s/early 1940s, they're going to be severely handicapped in what kind of stories they tell? What if the TV series was about some steampunk spacefarers who left Earth in the year 1880, but the series began 60 years after the launch? Are they, too, limited to the sorts of stories they can tell or the possibilities open to them?

If those rhetoricals weren't enough to get my point across, I'll be more succinct: The world is a big place. The galaxy, even more so.

Agreed.

The more recent examples I can think of would be Bates Motel: We know where Norman ended up, it didn't make the story of how he got that way any less worth telling and Gotham; we know where Gordon ends up, we know whre Bruce's story ends - it doesn't have to adhere to a lineage or history, but all the important parts are telegraphed.

In Discovery, we know the Enterprise and Kirk's crew go out on a five year mission. We also know that we have a completely different premise, cast, characters and ship so don't need to build or point to anything already telegraphed or pre-programmed that wasn't already common knowledhe.

They don't have to connect any dots, just use what was know there: Romulans and Klingons (among one or two others) wouldn't invite you round for a cup of tea. For the omst part all this restrictive information is pretty much just bog standard Trek.

 

[Greg Cox]

I guess it depends a bit on whether you see the future history of the Federation--its changing relations with the Klingons and such--as the story of STAR TREK or just the setting.

 

[m.lp.ql.m]

Seriously, the point stands. TITANIC didn't lack suspense or drama because we all knew the ship was going to sink in the end, in large part because we were invested with the characters of Jack and Rose and didn't know if they were going to survive or end up together or whatever."

Technically, we already knew Rose would survive from the start, and could easily infer that Jack wouldn't.

 

[Seven of Five]

I reckon Fuller is alluding to the constant appearance in TOS of Parallel Earth planets.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

My money's on Vulcan being conquered. It fits with the available clues:

- Event only alluded to, but never shown
- "Close" to the Romulans
- Possible involvement of Amanda Grayson

 

[Jedi Marso]

I reckon Fuller is alluding to the constant appearance in TOS of Parallel Earth planets.

Exploring that little tidbit would be VERY cool.

 

[Greg Cox]

Technically, we already knew Rose would survive from the start, and could easily infer that Jack wouldn't.

True. Which I guess further demonstrates that people will stick with a story even if they already know how it ends, as long as it's engaging enough.

Although we didn't know for sure that Jack would perish. They might have gone their separate ways as in Casablanca or any number of other bittersweet love stories where the lovers are sadly parted at the end.. (See also Somewhere in Time, The Way We Were, Roman Holiday, etc.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

My money's on Vulcan being conquered. It fits with the available clues:

- Event only alluded to, but never shown
- "Close" to the Romulans
- Possible involvement of Amanda Grayson

As a plucky resistance leader?

 

[JonnyQuest037]

As a plucky resistance leader?

Why not?

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

Seriously, screw Lord Garth. Whom Gods Destroy was a crappy episode and the character sucked.

Edit: Sorry, LORD Garth.

 

[RJDiogenes]

They prefer to be called "Ithenites" now.

Really? Were they in the novels or something?

I guess it depends a bit on whether you see the future history of the Federation--its changing relations with the Klingons and such--as the story of STAR TREK or just the setting.

Definitely just the setting. The stories are about people and ideas.

 

[OpenMaw]

Seriously, screw Lord Garth. Whom Gods Destroy was a crappy episode and the character su-

REMOVE THIS ANIMAL!!!

Definitely just the setting. The stories are about people and ideas.

Indeed.

 

[Terok Nor]

I don't know if the animated series counts but I just watched "The Slaver Weapon" and would really like to see more of the Kzinti.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Is there some kind of a betting pool? My money is on "Balance of Terror", "Errand of Mercy", "Journey to Babel", "The Enterprise Incident", "The Savage Curtain" and "Whom Gods Destroy".