Event alluded to by Bryan Fuller.

[Greg Cox]

I confess I raised an eyebrow when the Cardassians--and their long history of conflict with the Federation--suddenly appeared out of nowhere in "The Wounded." Huh, who the heck are these "Cardassians" and how come we're only just now hearing about this war?

But the Cardassians ended up being a valuable addition to STAR TREK anyway . ....

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Not that I feel we need another adversary culture as such. Adversary individuals might be the more interesting way to go...

Second this. Or, to make it more difficult, a group whose members do not represent one culture/species exclusively. Meaning the enemy doesn't need to Seska themselves up - all they have to do is lie about their allegiance.

 

[Tomalak]

I confess I raised an eyebrow when the Cardassians--and their long history of conflict with the Federation--suddenly appeared out of nowhere in "The Wounded." Huh, who the heck are these "Cardassians" and how come we're only just now hearing about this war?

But the Cardassians ended up being a valuable addition to STAR TREK anyway . ....

Same goes for the Xindi, and the Tzenkethi.

Space is big!

 

[Mr Awe]

It's not the appearing out of nowhere that is a problem, it's the vanishing into nowhere! TOS takes place only 10 years later and so there can't be some huge new alien threat that affects the power dynamic in the region regularly, and then just be gone without a mention!

Or, let me rephrase that. They could certainly do that, but it'll take me right out of the story. At least that's what the Xindi and Suliban (sp?) in Enterprise did for me personally. Your mileage may vary. At the very least, it'll be natural to wonder what the heck happened to those guys but you'll be guaranteed not to find out!

I'm not going to get too hung up on this though. I love the time frame. I have confidence in the team producing this show. I think it'll be a success. While I have a slight preference for a continuation, I do love the time frame they picked for the show. I've said it before, if it had to be a prequel and I got to choose the time frame, it would be this exact time!

Mr Awe

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

It't not the appearing out of nowhere that is a problem, it's the vanishing into nowhere! TOS takes place only 10 years later and so there can't be some huge new alien threat that affects the power dynamic in the region regularly, and then just be gone without a mention!

That's why a multi-species splinter group makes sense - it can go out of existence and become completely extinct, never to be heard of again. There hasn't been a resurgence of every religious/cult or political/warfare movement.

 

[Mr Awe]

That's why a multi-species splinter group makes sense - it can go out of existence and become completely extinct, never to be heard of again. There hasn't been a resurgence of every religious/cult or political/warfare movement.

That sounds like a good solution to me!

 

[dinzy]

It's not the appearing out of nowhere that is a problem, it's the vanishing into nowhere! TOS takes place only 10 years later and so there can't be some huge new alien threat that affects the power dynamic in the region regularly, and then just be gone without a mention!

Or, let me rephrase that. They could certainly do that, but it'll take me right out of the story. At least that's what the Xindi and Suliban (sp?) in Enterprise did for me personally. Your mileage may vary. At the very least, it'll be natural to wonder what the heck happened to those guys but you'll be guaranteed not to find out!

I'm not going to get too hung up on this though. I love the time frame. I have confidence in the team producing this show. I think it'll be a success. While I have a slight preference for a continuation, I do love the time frame they picked for the show. I've said it before, if it had to be a prequel and I got to choose the time frame, it would be this exact time!

Mr Awe

That's not really true. Starfleet is quite large and the TOS and TNG crews had their own missions that just didn't involve these species. In modern times it is like saying how can we not hear about the Korean war while watching a show about the Vietnamese war.

 

[Annorax849]

I confess I raised an eyebrow when the Cardassians--and their long history of conflict with the Federation--suddenly appeared out of nowhere in "The Wounded." Huh, who the heck are these "Cardassians" and how come we're only just now hearing about this war?

But the Cardassians ended up being a valuable addition to STAR TREK anyway . ....

They did the same thing (although perhaps on a smaller scale) with the Talarians and Tzenkethi.

 

[Mr. Nova]

Its significance or what really happened was redacted. So, instead of being the major crisis it really was, Federation history writes it off as a minor blip.

Just as the information on the Botany Bay ship was not released to the public after the Eugenics Wars.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

Are the Klingons going to look like Klingons? or human esq

Mix and match if they've got the guts it only makes sense

 

[Timo]

It's not the appearing out of nowhere that is a problem, it's the vanishing into nowhere!

It's just that it's more or less the same thing. Cardassians appeared out of nowhere because they had vanished into nowhere after Picard's last contact with them, just ten years before TNG.The camera just didn't happen to be there to witness the vanishing, so we didn't realize it was witnessing the absence.

With Romulans, it was more explicit: an absence of a full century was specified by our TOS heroes, and another absence again by the TNG ones. Does that set Romulans apart from other UFP adversaries? Possibly, but thankfully this is not stated outright...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cultcross]

That's not really true. Starfleet is quite large and the TOS and TNG crews had their own missions that just didn't involve these species. In modern times it is like saying how can we not hear about the Korean war while watching a show about the Vietnamese war.

Indeed. Not every show sent in contemporary Europe mentions or shows the refugee crisis, but for those directly involved, the stakes couldn't be higher. As long as Discovery steers clear of being the traditional Small Universe prequel that wants to show how later stuff comes about and have endless fanwanky references to known stuff, and tells its own stories it will be fine. .

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Just as long as there's enough references to convince us this is the same universe...not some totally unrelated sci-fi show...

 

[Bad Thoughts]

If I may ask, is there any confirmation that the TOS episode from which the events are drawn actually dates them to ten years in the past? Certainly there were undated events that Fuller could have arbitrarily to place ten years prior to TOS.

 

[Timo]

Or, indeed, events that don't take place ten years before "Where No Man" at all, but nevertheless are central to what happens at that time.

It could be an event that happened before the 2250s, and the heroes have to deal with it anyway because it's ongoing or affected their pasts in a major way. Or it could be an event in the future of our heroes, and their adventures are crucial in taking them and the Trek universe towards the event.

Say, the Tyme Barrier was broken in 2223 - and it's up to our STD heroes to fix it now before the universe leaks out. Or, say, the moon Praxis will eventually blow up - thanks to a safety valve the STD heroes valiantly screwed shut in 2252, in hopes of stopping the Klingon menace.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

What about Daystrom's duotronics development?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I guess if CBS wanted to put the final nail in that Axanar fan film's coffin, Discovery could depict a canon version of the events that vastly differs from that of the fan film. Discussion closed.

Just saw this. http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-t...-maniacal-white-dude-fits-facts-nicely-551002

What does everybody think about Garth being the captain and this being a plan to make Axanar, at best, an alternate timeline version of events rather than the prime one?

 

[cultcross]

Part of me would adore that, but we would never hear the end of Alec Peters self aggrandising nonsense about them being frightened of the competition.

 

[Albinator]

One thing i'm not sure anyone has noticed is that Fuller never quite said the "event" in question was referenced on TOS specifically. His actual quote is below.

“There’s an incident and and event in Star Trek history that’s been talked about but never been explored."

This leaves a LOT of room to guess. Could be any event referenced in any of the 5 series.' If I had to make a shot in the dark, i'd say Station Salem One, if only because it's something that i've always wondered about!

Given the rumor that there's a Klingon in the cast, could Station Salem One be the "bloody pre-amble" to a Klingon war with the Federation?

 

[FredH]

What about Daystrom's duotronics development?

That could work, and might have something to do with why there are apparently robots in the show. About the only strike against it is Fuller saying that speculation that the event had to do with the Romulans was "close," although wrong, which suggests something not-duotronics-related.