Unless it deals with a redacted bit of Starfleet/Federation history.
Event alluded to by Bryan Fuller.
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Unless it deals with a redacted bit of Starfleet/Federation history.
Or they could use the cold war as a tense backdrop for stories which don't require the possibility of a full scale war erupting.
That doesn't follow at all. During DS9, it was undeniable that the Dominion was by far the most dangerous enemy around, but that didn't change the fact that the Cardassians, Romulans, Breen, etc, all existed as well. Just because only Klingons were shown in TOS, doesn't mean they were the only major enemies the Federation had at the time.
Yes, I mention that possibility. Like I said, it's the opposite of having your cake an eating it. Why set the series in that time frame if you are not going to make use of it? On the other hand, if you do make use of those elements, you won't build tension on them.
You completely misunderstood my point. My point was simply that the franchise added antagonistic species as it moved forward in time in order to keep things fresh. By going back in time, the series is limiting itself to a few species that have been done to death--namely the Klingons! And, no, the Borg, Dominion, Ferengi, and Dominion most definitely were NOT around Starfleet space in TOS days.
Given this restriction, it makes sense that a few of the major characters are in fact Klingons. My point is only that a continuation would not have this restriction.
Mr Awe
Section 31 is very sneaky.
Using the elements does not require the potential for a full scale war. They can be put to other use to tell good stories.
You completely misunderstood my point. This show doesn't have that restriction, either. If they want to introduce a different alien enemy as more than an inconsequential alien of the week, they can. Witness the Xindi and the Suliban.
We're talking about billions of lives taken. Not even Section 31 could cover that up.
Mr Awe
Maybe not, but they could create a revisionist version of events.
And, you're validating my point. Yes, they can set good stories in this time period and basically just use the ambiance. The characters can die or be affected by the cold war setting. But, they can't break the cold war standoff.
Again, you validate my point. The Xindi and Suliban really took me right out of the story. Wait, those major species weren't around later?! I couldn't buy into their existence in ENT because they were not around later. It's even more difficult for the DIS to TOS transition because it's only 10 years!
Mr Awe
That would not make a believable story.
Like they haven't done "you thought you knew what happened in history? you were wrong/lied to" episodes before.
Instead of a huge war, it could be a "Thirteen Days" ish event.
And they don't need to.
Maybe you'll point me to the current address of the Holy Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, or the Soviet Union. And maybe explain how the Japanese couldn't possibly be a major player in 1944 because ten years later the only enemy anyone cared about was the Russians (or the Chinese).
You can have difficulty buying into whatever race you want, your difficulty has no bearing on whether the race is logically believable or not. And there's no logical reason why there couldn't be another major player out there in the 2250s that the Enterprise (1 ship) just never faced.
No, they don't need to. But, what's the point of setting it in that time frame then?
We're still dealing with Russia (the heart of the old USSR) and the Roman Empire shaped a lot of our Western World to this day. But, these are human populations where, in some cases, just the ruling class changed. Very different than a belligerent alien species! And, we're only talking about 10 years!
We'll have to agree to disagree. And, as I've pointed out, this is not in the realm of fact. There's no correct or incorrect answer. It's a matter of personal preference. Some people care more about the larger context and having game changing possibilities at that level. Those people will tend to have more issues with a prequel. Others don't care as much about that larger context and they'll tend to have fewer issues with a prequel. There's no correct answer. It's just a preference.
All that being said, if it had to be a prequel, and I got to choose the time frame, I'd choose this exact time frame! So, there's definitely aspects to it that I'm really looking forward to. I like most everything I'm hearing from Fuller about the approach. So, I'm excited about this series and very much looking forward to it.
However, I'd be remiss to not notice that there are certain aspects of it being a prequel that impose restrictions that I care about. I get that you don't care about the same issues, but that's life. We just like different things. In the end, if they tell great stories, I'm sure I'll find the series to be enjoyable. I think we agree that is the most important aspect.
Mr Awe
Remember that not all Humans live Earth-centered lives anymore. The further away we go from Earth, the easier it is to miss out on big events, such as an attack on a colony. With so many more locations for things to happen in, the 23rd century equivalent of something which would get major airtime on our nightly news now wouldn't necessarily crack the headlines then.
Basically, I mean that what is considered significant changes with time, distance, and proportion.
Indeed. A war or famine across the world misses out on media coverage in the West today. Imagine the effect of distance and separation when you're working on a galactic scale.
And as some things are the domain of Starfleet, they would not be revealed for years in part, if ever in whole.
Incidentally, it's kind of like a treasure hunt to take a throwaway comment made by a writer who thought it would just be good dialog, or a space filler, and turn it into this big thing.
Incidentally, it's kind of like a treasure hunt to take a throwaway comment made by a writer who thought it would just be good dialog, or a space filler, and turn it into this big thing.
What declarations of Bryan Fuller are you referring to?
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