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Spoilers Eve of the Daleks grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Eve of the Daleks?


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I couldn't agree more with this.

I'm pretty sure the main reason I like the Doctor / River so much is because Alex Kingston was so brilliant in the role (the fact she's also a Pertwee person is merely a bonus). Otherwise, the other 'ships / potential 'ships have left me cold. (The fact I find 'shipping in general - with a handful of exceptions - pretty ridiculous doesn't help.) Rose went from an actual person to a simpering idiot. Martha was a non-person who spent most of her time whining that the Doctor didn't love her. Clara was monumentally self-centred and selfish beyond belief. Now Yaz. At least Donna bucked the trend but her reward was to be completely mind-wiped. It's a really, really poor record. Each to their own but IMO classic Who was much more interesting and diverse.

Made me giggle when they advertised a River Song book over the credits. Because there’s naff all from this era to sell.
 
did it really need all the "What's a Dalek?" moments? They were everywhere in the last special, are these characters all so forgetful that they can't remember what happened the previous year?
Are you so forgetful you can't remember all the other times that argument's been made over the course of at least seventeen years?
I don't understand the Yaz/Doctor attraction. Yaz has almost no personality and the Doctor has treated her pretty badly this past season. Not only that, but they spent years apart.
What does spending years apart have to do with anything? Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
 
I actually liked a Chibbers script! I think the starting point was guest actors who knew how to deliver a funny line. And the Daleks were very sarky, very gobby! Pleasantly surprised. Where was this stuff before?

To go a little further, it has classic running-down-corridors stuff, a defiant Doctor, a ticking clock, good guests, and the time travel trope that there is never enough time. Yes, the 'logic' doesn't stand up too well, but I found this a lot more fun than most of his stuff.

why didn't they just spawn-camp outside the TARDIS when they found it, and why didn't they just send in another team after the loop ended?
Because arrogance. These Daleks had 'tood in buckets.

PS: Thasmin?! Yaztor!
 
Are you so forgetful you can't remember all the other times that argument's been made over the course of at least seventeen years?
It just annoys me because not only was it so recent in the show's history, but it's a pointless addition to the script. Who's going to be watching this special who doesn't know what a Dalek is?
What does spending years apart have to do with anything? Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Except that right after reuniting, the Doctor keeps Yaz at a distance and doesn't really confide in her.

I guess I just really hated that time jump. Yaz, Dan, and Jericho all spent four years traveling together. They should have been as tight of a group as any Doctor/Companion team. And yet Jericho dies and no one sheds a tear.
 
The problem for the Yaz and Thirteen for me is the opposite I normally have for Doctor/Companion relationships. Yaz although a poorly drawn thin character of no real merit seems too mature for the almost child like thirteen.

I am sort of wondering if CC is going to do a swerve in that Yaz leaves because the Doctor isn't actually interested in her that way.
 
Erm, it was a pretty good episode. I don't have much else to say. Nothing amazing. Not a great time loop episode in the history of sci-fi but still clever with the countdown aspect. Daleks with spinning guns seem to detract from how deadly their weapons are already. All in all, my feelings are "yeah, this was a pandemic episode. But a good one".
 
Erm, it was a pretty good episode. I don't have much else to say. Nothing amazing. Not a great time loop episode in the history of sci-fi but still clever with the countdown aspect. Daleks with spinning guns seem to detract from how deadly their weapons are already. All in all, my feelings are "yeah, this was a pandemic episode. But a good one".

Don’t forget it meant they couldn’t hit a mass of people running down a corridor. In a storage facility. As opposed to the one in ‘Dalek’ that annihilated an underground military facility in moments.
 
All in all, my feelings are "yeah, this was a pandemic episode. But a good one".
Honestly, I didn't even think about that until you mentioned. The set-up of the episode was good enough that it didn't stand out. It helps that I love small, intimate episodes so that kind of situation doesn't even stand out to me.
 
So, a Groundhog Day plot. Never been keen on those, and this was no exception. Not awful, just boring. The most interesting thing about it was Yaz admitting to herself how she feels about The Doctor, which has been teased for far too long. Mandip Gill was great, she really sold it. But as a special, this one fell flat for me.
 
All in all, my feelings are "yeah, this was a pandemic episode. But a good one".

And yet not even a passing mention. At the least Nick should have been wearing a mask when he entered the reception area. Though maybe serial killers are exempt? They could have debated whether they needed masks if they were going to die anyway. Sarah could have made some remark about how much worse can this year get.

For that matter, no comment on getting repeatedly exTERminated. That looks a bloody painful way to die but hey! Let's go and keep getting killed! What fun!
 
Thinking about it - Nick's story makes no sense - he's too shy to speak to someone for a date but he's having so many one night stands and short relationships he needs a storage unit to put stuff in.

Guy is a serial killer and maybe working for evil Dan.

It's fairly common for people to be able to be charming and personable but still fall to bits when in the presence of someone they are genuinely interested in.
 
And yet not even a passing mention. At the least Nick should have been wearing a mask when he entered the reception area. Though maybe serial killers are exempt? They could have debated whether they needed masks if they were going to die anyway. Sarah could have made some remark about how much worse can this year get.

I thought the cabbie at the end had one pulled down around his chin in the first wide shot of the couple meeting the car at the airport, but I just checked, and it was actually the shadow from his rearview mirror.
 
The problem for the Yaz and Thirteen for me is the opposite I normally have for Doctor/Companion relationships. Yaz although a poorly drawn thin character of no real merit seems too mature for the almost child like thirteen.

I am sort of wondering if CC is going to do a swerve in that Yaz leaves because the Doctor isn't actually interested in her that way.
That would be empowering for Yaz, which I like. It could be a standout moment for an otherwise flat character. However, it would be kind of a shitty way to end this era. Yaz dumps the Doctor. Given the Doctor's childish behavior about this at the end of this special, she'd probably be glad to see Yaz go.

But, even if the Doctor grows from it, she's regenerating anyway so there's not much meaning to it. It loses its punch because this Doctor won't have to deal with it for long.

I suspect that there will be a heart-to-heart conversation at some point. The Doctor will say that she keeps a distance because all companions leave (dead or alive) and it's too painful.
 
Supposedly some production scoop

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