Eureka Episode Discussion (Spoilers of course)

[Guy Gardener]

I found it intriguing that Figment Stark had all the wit and intellect to cut Jack down to size like the real one would. Jack's smarter than he was 4 years ago it seems or he just...

When they were saying memory device I was curious if they were going to turn everyt hing on it's ear and find out that Jack and Henry are also from the future as well as an alternate. I was so pissed when they stopped mentioning that and I am so glad that they haven't dropped all this not timetravel plot.

 

[David cgc]

Someone mentioned that on the Eureka's writers' blog, and they said it was actually addressed a while ago, in the second or third episode of season 3, in a scene that was ultimately cut from the final version of the episode. Considering that I'd been waiting for the other shoe to drop from the second season premiere for years, now, I was a little irritated.

Here it is.

From lbbutant:

Are you going to close "once in a lifetime" storyarc?!?!? well, are you?!?!?

Do you mean will Henry ever come clean to Carter? Or will Carter ever confront Henry? Alas, that scene happened in "Bad to the Drone" but it had to be cut for time. It's a secret that Henry is living with for now, and it will be referenced again in Episode 409, the mid-season finale.

Judging by what happened this week, my guess is that Henry's wife might stumble upon the fact that he lived through Kim dying in the Artifact incident twice while they're comparing notes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Which is clearly what I thought would happen if they wanted to give me a fangasm. Why else open these doors if there no intention on walking through them.

Kim might not even be dead in this timeline?

He'd have two wives walking about that had never met him.

I can see Allison saying "I'm pregnant"

And Jack replying "Wait? This is really familiar, we've done this before."

 

[Tom]

Lets not forget space Kim too. LOL

 

[Guy Gardener]

You mean Space Kim Two too.

Wouldn't she be darling dolled up as a ballerina?

 

[RJDiogenes]

Ever since this Season started, I've been predicting that Stark is alive in this timeline and would turn up unexpectedly. I thought I nailed it, then-- a figment! Grrr.

Nevertheless, this has been a fantastic Season, and I can't wait to see how they resolve it; it seems to be a lose-lose situation no matter what they do.

And it just dawned on me this week that Allison is Black, which makes Grant's actions a little unusual. They've been portraying him very well as a 40s guy out of his time, but he's never made any mention of Allison being Black, or the status of minorities in our society. An oversight, or is he just being portrayed as progressive?

 

[Snaploud]

Ever since this Season started, I've been predicting that Stark is alive in this timeline and would turn up unexpectedly. I thought I nailed it, then-- a figment! Grrr.

It was a bit late to go that route. Allison would have to be an idiot not to check on Stark's status within a week of being back.

And it just dawned on me this week that Allison is Black, which makes Grant's actions a little unusual. They've been portraying him very well as a 40s guy out of his time, but he's never made any mention of Allison being Black, or the status of minorities in our society. An oversight, or is he just being portrayed as progressive?

I think it's the latter. The guy is supposed to be the ultimate forward-thinker of the 1940s. He probably just assumed equal rights would happen sooner or later.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I thought is was positive racism(if there is a such a thing.). She overcame his low expectations so extremely and ultimately that he couldn't help but get a boner. In the 40's the majority of people period didn't have an education, and black people even less so, ladies of colour even less so than that, which makes Alison if she was native to that era exceptional for overcoming such incredible obstacles to become a nurse.

After that it was momentum, but she sooooooo cheated because she had less obstacles and less oppression to overcome in I suspect the late 80s than she would have had in the mid twenties when her education was taking place.

Besides because interracial marriage was illegal in the 40s in America, it just made the naughty premarital sex just that more hot. I mean who would bother with prostitutes if they were legal? Furthermore I say that black women are sexier if the law says that I am not allowed any of that, and ditto for any other pigment that the man tries to outlaw from my purview to pork.

Forbidden fruit don't you know?

Who laughed their ass off when Grant was saying he was having fantasies about a leggy blonde in a red dress?

 

[shivkala]

^
As I pointed out earlier, I loved that line!

I guess I had a different take on what Stark might have been, before he was revealed as a figment. I thought it was Stark from the original timeline, who was brought into this one. I thought that might make for some interesting tension, as he would have the memories from the old timeline, but not have been in the 1940's.

We still do not know who made the phone call to everyone in the season opener. I thought it could have been a disembodied Stark, who saw the potential for doing something nice for Allison (leaving Kevin and his comment as a red herring) and/or seeing the bridge device as a way to build a bridge for him to follow back "home."

 

[Forbin]

Allison has great gams!

 

[Greg Cox]

Hey did anyone know there Eureka tie-in novels now?

FYI: the first one, SUBSTITUTION METHOD by Cris Ramsay, went on sale today.

 

[Peter the Younger]

I was also disappointed we didn't get a flesh and blood Stark, but I'm not entirely surprised. I'm guessing they didn't go that route because it would mean dredging up the old Artifact plotline, though I think they will end up touching on it at some point anyway; Kevin is non-autistic in this timeline, so more than likely, some of the events in the Artifact storyline would have played out differently.

 

[RJDiogenes]

And it just dawned on me this week that Allison is Black, which makes Grant's actions a little unusual. They've been portraying him very well as a 40s guy out of his time, but he's never made any mention of Allison being Black, or the status of minorities in our society. An oversight, or is he just being portrayed as progressive?

I think it's the latter. The guy is supposed to be the ultimate forward-thinker of the 1940s. He probably just assumed equal rights would happen sooner or later.

You're probably right, but it would have been better if he had said something. He's commented on technology and music, but not Civil Rights? Makes it seem like an oversight.

 

[Snaploud]

And it just dawned on me this week that Allison is Black, which makes Grant's actions a little unusual. They've been portraying him very well as a 40s guy out of his time, but he's never made any mention of Allison being Black, or the status of minorities in our society. An oversight, or is he just being portrayed as progressive?

I think it's the latter. The guy is supposed to be the ultimate forward-thinker of the 1940s. He probably just assumed equal rights would happen sooner or later.

You're probably right, but it would have been better if he had said something. He's commented on technology and music, but not Civil Rights? Makes it seem like an oversight.

I'm sure his massive ego would have prevented him from saying anything (which could have painted himself as some sort of socially conservative anachronism). Plus, he wants to get in bed with Allison. He probably dealt with enough 1940s progressives (leaders in the feminist and african-american civil rights movements) to realize any mention would be a bad tactic romantically. Nobody in any era wants to hear somebody say, "Wow. I can't believe you're doing so well professionally. In my day, your race/sex would never have gotten that far."

 

[SG-17]

Oh my god its Robau!!!

 

[Greg Cox]

Oh my god its Robau!!!

You mean, on Warehouse 13?

 

[RJDiogenes]

I think it's the latter. The guy is supposed to be the ultimate forward-thinker of the 1940s. He probably just assumed equal rights would happen sooner or later.

You're probably right, but it would have been better if he had said something. He's commented on technology and music, but not Civil Rights? Makes it seem like an oversight.

I'm sure his massive ego would have prevented him from saying anything (which could have painted himself as some sort of socially conservative anachronism). Plus, he wants to get in bed with Allison. He probably dealt with enough 1940s progressives (leaders in the feminist and african-american civil rights movements) to realize any mention would be a bad tactic romantically. Nobody in any era wants to hear somebody say, "Wow. I can't believe you're doing so well professionally. In my day, your race/sex would never have gotten that far."

I suppose that could be true. It seems a little awkward from a storytelling point of view. On the other hand, it took me all Season to think of it-- and four years to notice that Allison is Black.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think it's the latter. The guy is supposed to be the ultimate forward-thinker of the 1940s. He probably just assumed equal rights would happen sooner or later.

You're probably right, but it would have been better if he had said something. He's commented on technology and music, but not Civil Rights? Makes it seem like an oversight.

I'm sure his massive ego would have prevented him from saying anything (which could have painted himself as some sort of socially conservative anachronism). Plus, he wants to get in bed with Allison. He probably dealt with enough 1940s progressives (leaders in the feminist and african-american civil rights movements) to realize any mention would be a bad tactic romantically. Nobody in any era wants to hear somebody say, "Wow. I can't believe you're doing so well professionally. In my day, your race/sex would never have gotten that far."

You're reminding me of something Betty White said about Nichelle Nichols during the William Shatner Roast: "In my day they wouldn't have let you in here Nichelle."

 

[Forbin]

Allison's a charming negress!!



With great gams!

 

[Guy Gardener]

People think that if they're quoting Lincoln, that they can get away with saying anything, and that's usually about right.