Poll Ethan Peck's Spock

[Ovation]

So in real life later canon rewrites previous canon?

Canon is a very simple thing. It’s everything that has been presented onscreen (excluding deleted scenes, unless incorporated later in something else). It has no requirement for consistency or the avoidance of contradiction. It’s simply the sum total of the productions.

Continuity is the thing you (and most people) are talking about things that appear contradictory to what came before. James R. vs T. Kirk is a continuity error. But both are canon. Kelvinverse and Prime are separate continuities. Both are canon. Etc.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Canon is a very simple thing. It’s everything that has been presented onscreen (excluding deleted scenes, unless incorporated later in something else). It has no requirement for consistency or the avoidance of contradiction. It’s simply the sum total of the productions.

Continuity is the thing you (and most people) are talking about things that appear contradictory to what came before. James R. vs T. Kirk is a continuity error. But both are canon. Kelvinverse and Prime are separate continuities. Both are canon. Etc.

Now define 'non-canonical'

 

[fireproof78]

Now define 'non-canonical'

Not apart of the official body of work.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Not apart of the official body of work.

It generally means 'outside of main continuity', like an Elseworld story. Something created and published officially, but doesn't affect events in the main series.

 

[fireproof78]

It generally means 'outside of main continuity', like an Elseworld story. Something created and published officially, but doesn't affect events in the main series.

Not my use of it but sure, why not?

The official body of work is all that matters for the production teams.

For fans, it is just entertainment.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Cross posting from the Wedding Bell Blues thread because I feel like I'm having the same conversation in multiple threads...

"Another thing that makes canon a little confusing. Gene R himself had a habit of de-canonizing things. He didn't like the way the animated series turned out, so he proclaimed that it was not canon. He also didn't like a lot of the movies, so he didn't much consider them canon either. And -- okay, I'm really going to scare you with this one -- after he got TNG going, he... well... he sort of decided that some of the original series wasn't canon either. I had a conversation with him once, where I cited several things that were clearly canon in the original series, and he told me that he didn't think that way anymore, and that he now thought of TNG as canon whenever there was a conflict between the two. He admitted that it was revisionist thinking, but so be it."

-- Paula Block, 2005

 

[Ovation]

It generally means 'outside of main continuity', like an Elseworld story. Something created and published officially, but doesn't affect events in the main series.

Actually, it doesn’t. If it did, Kelvinverse would be “non-canon”. It MOST CERTAINLY IS canon. It simply isn’t in the Prime continuity. Canon =/= continuity. Never has.

 

[MarcKle1964]

Not apart of the official body of work.

Canon points at Non-Canon. "You are not of the body..." (shoots them with hollow...cannons)

 

[fireproof78]

Canon points at Non-Canon. "You are not of the body..." (shoots them with hollow...cannons)

To the left...and to the right.

 

[BillJ]

I’ve only seen the first season, Peck does a solid job with the material they gave him.

 

[Lucky]

I love how Ethan Peck plays Spock. It makes sense he'd be more open to his human side at this stage, and I think we can see hints of why he might feel otherwise in the future. Peck's Spock is my favorite after Nimoy.

 

[Starflight]

I don't think "canon" needs to be (or should be) invoked to talk about whether or not Spock's character is well-written at this point in SNW. The issue - if there is one - isn't whether or not he lines up with TOS Spock, but rather whether the direction they're taking him in is satisfying within SNW itself.

Peck's acting is unassailable, IMO, he's perfect for the role. The writing, though, feels to me like it's slipped over the course of the second season and what we've seen of the third so far; the character is getting harder to like and it's mostly Peck's great performance holding it together.

 

[Ronald Held]

How can you absolutely separate Pecks acting from the scripts and directions?

 

[Starflight]

How can you absolutely separate Pecks acting from the scripts and directions?

Same way you can tell Marc Alaimo is a good actor even after Dukat's character starts to fall off a cliff. Peck's work in Discovery and the first season of SNW was enough to prove his skills, I think.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How can you absolutely separate Pecks acting from the scripts and directions?

Some actors rise above the material.

 

[Noname Given]

For me Ethan Peck is the best Spock since Leonard Nimoy.

Zacarhy Quinto is a distant third.

 

[BillJ]

For me Ethan Peck is the best Spock since Leonard Nimoy.

Zacarhy Quinto is a distant third.

Both are capable of being believable in the role, provided that the writing is there to back them up.

Both distantly trail Nimoy’s portrayal of the character.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

Last night I stumbled across a western starring Gregory Peck called The Gunfighters (1950), and Gregory was the same age his grandson Ethan, is now.
Watching it, I could see similarities between the two actors in the performances and speech patterns/cadence.
Made me think that Gregory could have pulled off Spock or a Vulcan.

 

[Ovation]

Last night I stumbled across a western starring Gregory Peck called The Gunfighters (1950), and Gregory was the same age his grandson Ethan, is now.
Watching it, I could see similarities between the two actors in the performances and speech patterns/cadence.
Made me think that Gregory could have pulled off Spock or a Vulcan.

Excellent film.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

Excellent film.

If it hadn't started so late and I didn't have to get up for work in the morning, I would have watched the entire movie. As it was, I only made it to the second commercial break before turning it off. Hopefully, the channel will air it again at an earlier time.