"Essential Legends" of Trek?

[Christopher]

A: Traditionally, “concerted” has meant done in concert—that is, jointly.

However, the adjective had an earlier meaning of organized, coordinated, or united.

How is that a "however?" Those are basically synonymous. Coordinating and uniting both require more than one entity. I guess you can say one person's effort can be organized, though.

And since the 19th century people have used “concerted” without any collective sense to mean purposeful and determined.

It still feels wrong to me, but I'm literal-minded.

 

[JD]

Let's take Sherlock Holmes for a moment. Writers after Doyle have invented a number of family members that aren't in the Canon. There's the much older brother Sherringford (from William S. Baring- Gould), a much younger sister Enola (from Nancy Springer), a completely different younger sister Violet (from Andy Lane), plus his son Raffles (from John Kendrick Bangs), and his daughter Lucy (from Charles Vesey and Anne Elliott). None of these go together, or were ever intended to go together, yet I like imagining that they can and do fit together in various combinations. Just for myself, and only for fun. Enola and Raffles together would be hilarious.

Was Eurus in Sherlock finale from the Doyle stories or another new family member?

 

[Christopher]

Was Eurus in Sherlock finale from the Doyle stories or another new family member?

Original to the show. Other than Mycroft, the only canonical reference to any members of Holmes's family is in "The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter," just before Sherlock first mentions Mycroft:

“My ancestors were country squires, who appear to have led much the same life as is natural to their class. But, none the less, my turn that way is in my veins, and may have come with my grandmother, who was the sister of Vernet, the French artist."

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Original to the show. Other than Mycroft, the only canonical reference to any members of Holmes's family is in "The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter," just before Sherlock first mentions Mycroft:

“My ancestors were country squires, who appear to have led much the same life as is natural to their class. But, none the less, my turn that way is in my veins, and may have come with my grandmother, who was the sister of Vernet, the French artist."

And that quote leads to the logic behind the hypothesized even older Holmes brother, because Mycroft is very clearly not a "country squire," so who inherited the estate in the country? That led William S. Baring-Gould to hypothesize Sherringford, the Holmes country heir.

There are other ways of answering the question, such as a Pride & Prejudice inheritance situation where Holmes' mother was the only living child of the "country squire" and she was unable to inherit, so the estate went to a distant cousin.

 

[Christopher]

And that quote leads to the logic behind the hypothesized even older Holmes brother, because Mycroft is very clearly not a "country squire," so who inherited the estate in the country? That led William S. Baring-Gould to hypothesize Sherringford, the Holmes country heir.

There are other ways of answering the question, such as a Pride & Prejudice inheritance situation where Holmes' mother was the only living child of the "country squire" and she was unable to inherit, so the estate went to a distant cousin.

Couldn't Mycroft own the estate but live in the city by preference? He seems just the type who'd see maintaining a large country estate to be an intolerable bother and leave it in the hands of a caretaker or let the bank administer it or something.

For that matter, since there's no canonical mention one way or the other of Holmes's parents, couldn't his father still be alive? I mean, the series starts when Holmes and Watson are in their late twenties, and they're probably in their thirties for most of it, so it's entirely possible they could have living parents, even if that was statistically less likely then than it would be today. Certainly a number of adaptations such as Sherlock, Elementary, and Enola have given Holmes at least one living parent in his adulthood (with Cumberbatch-Holmes's mother being played by his real-life mother, UFO's Wanda Ventham).

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I'd always read this as meaning more distant ancestors.

 

[Christopher]

I'd always read this as meaning more distant ancestors.

Yes, I guess that could be it too, that the family lost the estate in some intervening generation.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Several of the old Star Wars EU books are being reprinted in a much nicer TPB format. Though the 'mainline' books continue in the 'new' continuity, these older books have been reprinted and repackaged and I have to say I've re-bought more than a few (the X-wing books for certain, natch) and in thinking about it I'd be tempted to do it for Trek as well. But which books would you like to see in such a format if it was done?

I was thrilled when "Ex Machina" unexpectedly came out as a trade-sized reprint, because now it displays very nicely next to the 40th anniversary of the novelization of TMP, and Christopher L Bennett's "The Higher Frontier". (And now also "Living Memory".)


New Trek stuff by Ian McLean, on Flickr

I bought "New Frontier: Rückkehr" (Cross Cult, 2022) by Peter David, a German-language hardcopy version of "The Returned". The only English-language version is in three eBook volumes. But I would really love this as a trade paperback:


"New Frontier: The Returned" by Ian McLean, on Flickr

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Hmm. I wasn't aware that Billy Van Zandt was a writer and a producer; I thought he was just a character actor who had a walk-on in TMP.

As to the TMP novelization being reissued in TPB, not interested: I have the movie novelizations (at least through TVH except for TFF and TUC) in hardcover, and TMP and the TNG movies specifically in publisher hardcover, rather than SFBC hardcover. As to the TPB reprint of Ex Machina, it's been so long since I read it that I don't even remember what it's about, and to me, a TPB (unless printed on really nice, archival-grade paper, with a Smyth-sewn binding) is just a more expensive verson of a MMPB.

 

[Avro Arrow]

the 40th anniversary of the novelization of TMP

You had to bring that up, didn't you? After saying in this thread that I wouldn't rebuy a TPB of a PB I already owned... that's exactly what I did with the TMP 40th anniversary rerelease. Now I look like a hypocrite.

(In my defence, my PB of the TMP novelization was second-hand, and wasn't really in the greatest of shape. The TPB was the first time I had bought it new. )

I was thrilled when "Ex Machina" unexpectedly came out as a trade-sized reprint

TBH, I don't really like those TPB "reprints" that you mentioned (Ex Machina, etc), because IIRC, they are overpriced print-on-demand books. And then they turn around and base their ebook price off the overpriced POD price, which makes the ebooks way overpriced too, which causes trouble for people trying to get the books now if they didn't get them while they were new. I can honestly say I haven't rebought any of my books in a POD version.

 

[Therin of Andor]

You had to bring that up, didn't you? After saying in this thread that I wouldn't rebuy a TPB of a PB I already owned... that's exactly what I did with the TMP 40th anniversary rerelease. Now I look like a hypocrite.

(In my defence, my PB of the TMP novelization was second-hand, and wasn't really in the greatest of shape. The TPB was the first time I had bought it new. )

And several annoying errors are corrected.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Hmm. I wasn't aware that Billy Van Zandt was a writer and a producer; I thought he was just a character actor who had a walk-on in TMP.

As to the TPB reprint of Ex Machina, it's been so long since I read it that I don't even remember what it's about...

Billy and his writing partner were writing and producing comedy plays annually. His three months on the bridge of the Enterprise, with nothing much to do, gave him amazing access to watch the director, Robert Wise, at work.

"Ex Machina" is a direct sequel to TMP, set three weeks after, and is also a sequel to "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky". Dialogue for many of TMP's new alien crewmembers!

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I can honestly say I haven't rebought any of my books in a POD version.

The only POD editions I have are Barbara Owen's biography of organist E. Power Biggs (the first edition was unobtainable at any price at the time; this was a very expensive offprint by University Microfilms, in hardcover -- not Smyth-sewn, but at least on some nice, acid-free paper, and they didn't skimp on the padding compound), and ADF's two most recent anthologies (TPBs, not nearly as nice, and the copy-editing was lousy).