Episodes you refuse to watch

[2takesfrakes]

Hoshi never left much of an impression on me, except that - at the time - she was going out with, or living with, Shinzon, in Real Life. Small world, huh?

"... Knife in Side"!!! That had me Laughing Out Loud, for Real, and it's only 7 o'clock in the morning! To me, Archer's cobbled reading of "To Boldly Go" at the end is the "knife in the side." It's extremely odd being there, like it's grafted on, out of nowhere. It doesn't jibe with what we've been seeing, but ... oh! What a tip of the hat to the franchise! Not when it's shoehorned, it isn't.

 

[φ of π]

Sure, These Are The Voyages is fine on its own, it's just an insulting Enterprise episode.

 

[eyeresist]

I'll grant you that 'Hatchery' is mediocre, but 'Vox Sola' and 'Cogenitor' are great trek.

Opposite.

 

[Mach5]

Opposite.

Hacktually, all three are sh1t. .

 

[Yanks]

Hoshi never left much of an impression on me, except that - at the time - she was going out with, or living with, Shinzon, in Real Life. Small world, huh?

I wasn't aware of that.

"... Knife in Side"!!! That had me Laughing Out Loud, for Real, and it's only 7 o'clock in the morning! To me, Archer's cobbled reading of "To Boldly Go" at the end is the "knife in the side." It's extremely odd being there, like it's grafted on, out of nowhere. It doesn't jibe with what we've been seeing, but ... oh! What a tip of the hat to the franchise! Not when it's shoehorned, it isn't.

Laughter is the best medicine, although I'm not sure I follow you.

 

[eyeresist]

Hacktually, they're all shit.

EDIT: Insult deleted

 

[Mach5]

Fuck off, troll.

I only meant 'Hatchery', 'Vox Sola' and 'Cogenitor', not all of ENT.

But sure, I'll f-off.

 

[jaime]

I remember when Q brought in Riker for a cameo in VOY, to testify, or some such about some other Q who affected his life some way, Janeway just about dropped an egg, she was so smitten with Riker, instantly. As absurd as the whole thing was, it was worth it just to see her swooning over him, it was kind of "cute," actually.

But Jonathan Frakes' involvement could've been so much more meaningful and impactful and well-thought out, but it always comes back to these shitty-assed writers who deliver episodes like this, in part, because they're under "pressure," but mostly because they're no-talent hacks who just got lucky. TATV, interestingly enough, didn't suffer from any of that, it was just a whimsical episode, as noted. And I wouldn't try to twist anyone's arm into agreeing with me that it's not as bad as people say, or to enjoy it, as much as I. Its shortcomings are apparent.

Still in all, there's quite a bit of that in STAR TREK. Even a Classic like "City on the Edge of Forever" has to be "forgiven" to a certain extent, in order to be "believable." Or "The Voyage Home," with the incredible assertion that the power of the Humback Whale's song is such that it can penetrate lightyears at warp speed, to chat up probes from another Galaxy. These cetaceans are not only Man's equal ... they are his superior! And this movie was so handsomely rewarded that Leonard Nimoy could never stop bragging about it. But that's STAR TREK for you ...

They covered the whales by having their song take a long time to reach the probe, who had been coming to find out what had happened as soon as they went extinct....it just took a really really long time to get to earth. It's in the novelisation I grant you. I believe telepathy was also implied. I have to forgive enterprise as a whole more than that to watch it. Every time I start enjoying the series, it throws something at me I find dull or bad. It still has its highs. I liked the stuff with Surak, the stuff with Trip and T'Pol was well done too...

 

[eyeresist]

I only meant 'Hatchery', 'Vox Sola' and 'Cogenitor', not all of ENT.

But sure, I'll f-off.

Thanks for clarifying - insult deleted.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Those Hatchery kids were totally using Bakula as a toilet, while they were living on him.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Interesting..good consensus here. Of course, TATV was "one and done" for me. I'd also concur with Dear Doctor, Precious Cargo, and Daedalus (which actually has nothing to do with the main cast, but that Emory was an ass).

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Extinction yet - well except Anthony Sabre as it does fall in Season 3! Personally , I don't have a problem with it and have watched a few times, but I understand it's considered a "stinker".

It's far from the show's worst outing, but it didn't need to be in season three since it does nothing to move the plot along.

 

[Yanks]

Those Hatchery kids were totally using Bakula as a toilet, while they were living on him.

Just watched it the other night.

I still get a kick out of it

I wouldn't call it bad, average episode. The Crew/Maco conflict was awesome.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

EDIT: Insult deleted

I saw what you did there.

You don't get a pass just because you deleted it. It was way out of line, and you've been here long enough to know better. Warning for flaming. Comments to PM.

 

[Mach5]

I'm not crazy about Hatchery or (especially) Vox Sola, but come to think of it, Cogenitor wasn't that bad. At least it's an episode that inspires debate, and it's Trip-centric, which is always a good thing.

 

[2takesfrakes]

They covered the whales by having their song take a long time to reach the probe, who had been coming to find out what had happened as soon as they went extinct....it just took a really really long time to get to earth. It's in the novelisation I grant you. I believe telepathy was also implied. I have to forgive enterprise as a whole more than that to watch it. Every time I start enjoying the series, it throws something at me I find dull or bad. It still has its highs. I liked the stuff with Surak, the stuff with Trip and T'Pol was well done too...

I'm glad that ENTERPRISE can still offer up something to you that you enjoy, because it's really not a bad show, for what it is. I mean ... it's more of the same, which VOYAGER could get away with, because of its unique and novel predicament. Speaking of novels, it's cool that the whales get a better explanation in the STAR TREK books, but in a way, I find that irksome, as well. I shouldn't need to make extracurricular purchases to clarify franchise canon. Still ... without that, I guess, there's no real point to the novels, but ... what a way to make a living!

 

[locutus101]

The first time I saw vox sola it ruined my appetite. There was no second time.

 

[locutus101]

I'm not crazy about Hatchery or (especially) Vox Sola, but come to think of it, Cogenitor wasn't that bad. At least it's an episode that inspires debate, and it's Trip-centric, which is always a good thing.

I love that word "trip-centric", it's funny.

 

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

I wouldn't say I "refuse to watch", but whenever I'm rewatching the show I tend to do them all in order, in a kind of completist manner. However I usually end with Terra Prime, skipping the abomination of TATV. Other really, really bad episodes, such as A Night in Sickbay, The Seventh or Twilight, I tend to watch not as attentively as the others.

 

[jaime]

I'm glad that ENTERPRISE can still offer up something to you that you enjoy, because it's really not a bad show, for what it is. I mean ... it's more of the same, which VOYAGER could get away with, because of its unique and novel predicament. Speaking of novels, it's cool that the whales get a better explanation in the STAR TREK books, but in a way, I find that irksome, as well. I shouldn't need to make extracurricular purchases to clarify franchise canon. Still ... without that, I guess, there's no real point to the novels, but ... what a way to make a living!

Yeah, I am trying to come to Enterprise again now I am more...seasoned. I appreciate its NASA vibe now more I am away from the dreadful pre publicity and indeed from feeling the shadow of quantum leap hanging over it.
It wasn't so much an extra purchase with the whales...it was the novelisation of the film, which in the olden days was how we got to relive the films and series xD

 

[locutus101]

I wouldn't say I "refuse to watch", but whenever I'm rewatching the show I tend to do them all in order, in a kind of completist manner. However I usually end with Terra Prime, skipping the abomination of TATV. Other really, really bad episodes, such as A Night in Sickbay, The Seventh or Twilight, I tend to watch not as attentively as the others.

What's wrong with Twilight?