I love both of these episodes.
Episodes you refuse to watch...
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I love both of these episodes.
. But one is the Romulans-board-ship-time-frozen one.
If you don't like the idea of Quark as a drag queen, skip it in the future...
Timescape?
Awww....P&L is one of my guilty DS9 pleasures. Conversely, I'm really bored with that one where Nog mopes about his lost leg which many seem to rate as great episode.
Sounds right. I can name most TOS, DS9, VOY and ENT episodes I like, but TNG is a bit...meh.
I love The Royale, especially the music during the craps scene. I would love to get that track somehow.
Since we're not talking only about TNG episodes anymore, has anyone nominated ENT's "A Night in Sickbay"? Because that episode is horrible. The Space Nazi episodes are insulting and unwatchable, too.
I liked "Zero Hour" and the "Storm Front" two-parter. The show was beginning to feel fun again.
Ummm - getting back to TNG...
Absolutely. I still think the one where Tasha Yar gets kidnapped to the Planet of the Black Stereotypes is the worst thing ever. Not only is it stupid, it would've been racist in the 60s (which that episode felt like it was from), let alone the mid-80s. Crikey. 
Sub Rosa. Just terrible, and it doesn't even feel like Star Trek. I like the bad episodes as long as there is some sort of mystery, suspense or other interest pique-ing element to it, but Sub Rosa has nothing. It's just shit.
Hands down The Game. Horrific episode. I can't even fathom how it was made. I can't even begin to fathom how someone actually wrote that trash. But then, how the people responsible for production didn't read the script, laugh, and throw it in the garbage bin after spitting on it and setting it on fire, and just tearing it to pieces, driving whoever wrote it out of the office, out of town, out of the country, to work in a Bangkok sweat-shop making Polo knock-offs for pennies a day! I hate this episode so much.
Because stuff like, Outrageous Okana and Sub-Rosa, yeah you watch it and go "not that good, really" but The Game? Way to successfully assassinate every character on the show- except Wesley. Of course. I remember the day I first saw this episode and I was just in shock. No one on the ship is going to go "we need to test this device before using it"? They all just, oh, duh, let's put on this device that shoots lasers in our eyes, makes us really uncomfortable, then starts feeding us euphoria. Like. A drug? It's like if there was an episode where everyone on the ship gets addicted to crack cocaine. And if that's not bad enough, then we go into Picard's office, and he's putting on the game-drug, too?! My jaw hit the floor. So you're just going to completely assassinate Picard's character, along with the entire crew's character- and show me that he's a fool who gets allows this to occur on his ship (even if it was Riker, the FO, who "smuggled" the drugs onto the ship and started passing out "freebies" to get everyone hooked? And he doesn't even know it. He's just a patsy for some chick hanging around?
Hate hate HATE this episode.
Because stuff like, Outrageous Okana and Sub-Rosa, yeah you watch it and go "not that good, really" but The Game? Way to successfully assassinate every character on the show- except Wesley. Of course. I remember the day I first saw this episode and I was just in shock. No one on the ship is going to go "we need to test this device before using it"? They all just, oh, duh, let's put on this device that shoots lasers in our eyes, makes us really uncomfortable, then starts feeding us euphoria. Like. A drug? It's like if there was an episode where everyone on the ship gets addicted to crack cocaine. And if that's not bad enough, then we go into Picard's office, and he's putting on the game-drug, too?! My jaw hit the floor. So you're just going to completely assassinate Picard's character, along with the entire crew's character- and show me that he's a fool who gets allows this to occur on his ship (even if it was Riker, the FO, who "smuggled" the drugs onto the ship and started passing out "freebies" to get everyone hooked? And he doesn't even know it. He's just a patsy for some chick hanging around?
Hate hate HATE this episode.
That was a "WHAT!!" moment for me too, I just thought that would Picard even be interested to try one of those games at all? Out of character much? Well, maybe he was forced into using it, but that doesn't save the episode. Wesley just happens to be the one who doesn't want to try the device... and boywonder saves the day by fixing Data. Rerun value gets lower every time someone offers the game for Wesley to try, he comes up with some awkward excuse, even in situations where he doesn't even know it's a dangerous machine... AND he happens to be the only one onboard who starts to wonder, "how does this thing work?"
Sorry, that was a lot of negativity towards that episode but... that's how I feel about it.
Absolutely. I still think the one where Tasha Yar gets kidnapped to the Planet of the Black Stereotypes is the worst thing ever. Not only is it stupid, it would've been racist in the 60s (which that episode felt like it was from), let alone the mid-80s. Crikey.
"Justice", the planet of scantily clad white people was just as bad. It looks like during the Edo's version of World War II, the Nazis won.
Oh yeah. That one is fucking terrible.
Not to try to change your mind, but "Sub Rosa" has atmosphere - a Gothic-horror mystery. Does it belong on a STAR TREK? Probably not. Is it my favorite? Not by a long shot. But I can watch it and enjoy the set design and surroundings. And I love hearing that guy say, "cahndle".
The top of your head thinks like the middle of mine. Excellent list.
I don't like that episode either. But I understand it. One of the issues that Star Trek predicted is video game addiction, which is something that EVERYBODY is doing now.
It belongs in Dark Shadows.
It's really interesting seeing what people's tastes are..among the usual suspects, there are also episodes I'd never expect people to dislike, as they're generally liked.
The Game surprises me. Most people seem to like this. Wheaton actually has good chemistry with Ashley Judd, and kind of a fun story about a less-advanced culture managing to covertly take over the Enterprise, in an addiction parable story.
Timescape?? Really? Very good episode.
Measure of a Man???? Wow
Arsenal of Freedom?
Birthright? I'm assuming this one is a joke.
Anyway, some of the usual episodes:
Code of Honor: Agreed, not a well executed episode, however, the "racist" overtones are not as obvious as as they seem. The cultural aspects weren't even supposed to be African, and if you had transposed the events to white characters (as mostly TOS and STNG sometimes does, with whole planets with bad manners in "straw mean" cultures..all white) would we have noticed?
Naked Now: not a bad episode really it's just a lot like the original and too early in the series. Watching it out of order all these years later it's not as terrible as we believed.
Justice: Has some genuinely good moments, especially the last 15 minutes. I understand and agree with Roddenberry's reasons for having a culture like this, however it seemed to work against the message of the episode. Again, first season execution was lacking.
Outrageous Okona: I liked the first 10-15 minutes and the reveal but other than that, the only thing worth watching is Wiliam O Campbell. Too bad he wasn't in a better episode.
The Game surprises me. Most people seem to like this. Wheaton actually has good chemistry with Ashley Judd, and kind of a fun story about a less-advanced culture managing to covertly take over the Enterprise, in an addiction parable story.
Timescape?? Really? Very good episode.
Measure of a Man???? Wow
Arsenal of Freedom?
Birthright? I'm assuming this one is a joke.
Anyway, some of the usual episodes:
Code of Honor: Agreed, not a well executed episode, however, the "racist" overtones are not as obvious as as they seem. The cultural aspects weren't even supposed to be African, and if you had transposed the events to white characters (as mostly TOS and STNG sometimes does, with whole planets with bad manners in "straw mean" cultures..all white) would we have noticed?
Naked Now: not a bad episode really it's just a lot like the original and too early in the series. Watching it out of order all these years later it's not as terrible as we believed.
Justice: Has some genuinely good moments, especially the last 15 minutes. I understand and agree with Roddenberry's reasons for having a culture like this, however it seemed to work against the message of the episode. Again, first season execution was lacking.
Outrageous Okona: I liked the first 10-15 minutes and the reveal but other than that, the only thing worth watching is Wiliam O Campbell. Too bad he wasn't in a better episode.
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