Episodes that should have been longer/shorter
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Well, "bumbling" Picard in "Yesterday's Enterprise" quite often says things one moment and something else the next one (maybe that's why the Federation is loosing?).
The script was rushed, acts were written by different screenplay writers (who hated the experience), Michael Piller admitted plotholes and Jonathan Frakes probably still has no idea what was actually going on, but "liked the look".
According to Ronald Moore (screenplay) and David Carson (director) - as late as of 2008 - they felt they had established during the episode that Tasha Yar was certainly going to die upon arriving in the year 2344 (hence travelling back in that uniform was no longer relevant).
Inevitably that required a premise change for "Redemption II" but this is not a popular issue here at the BBS.
Bob
Yes. We are going to leave ALL "Yesterday's Enterprise" arguments other than whether or not it should have been longer or shorter OUT of this thread.
Personally I would have liked to see "Year of Hell" on VOY stretch one more episode, with the side plot of Janeway recruiting help to stop Annorax and the Krenim time ship. There were a few other points that could have been teased out as well.
That is not much of a modified uniform. They're in a war shaped by more years of more war, so design is bound to change much more drastically than a mere a drop-off to the tailor.
But it was still a weekly TV show with a strict budget. So they really couldn't afford to reinvent the wheel.
Which was, I believe, *my original point*.
But it was still a weekly TV show with a strict budget. So they really couldn't afford to reinvent the wheel.
I think the Klingon arc in TNG S4 could have used more episodes. Maybe not continuous episodes, but something between Reuinion and Redemption to build up the situation.
Year Of Hell probably shouldn't have been a full season as some of the writers wanted, but a 6 episode arc would have been perfect.
Year Of Hell probably shouldn't have been a full season as some of the writers wanted, but a 6 episode arc would have been perfect.
Inevitably that required a premise change for "Redemption II" but this is not a popular issue here at the BBS.
Bob
Why would fandom embrace it? Lets take an actress who bailed on us in season one and cram her back into the series in the most awkward and unlikely way possible.
Brilliant!
I think it's hard to argue that Tasha Yar wasn't being underutilized in TNG season 1. Also, Gates didn't bail on Trek at all, she was let go. That's a completely different for an actor/actress to come back from.
Except Gates McFadden didn't bail on the show. She was forced out. And at least according to some accounts, it had to do with her conflicts with a producer over his sexual advances toward her. So I'd say her situation is just a tad different than Denise Crosby's.
The Enterprise Incident I thought could have been at least a two-parter, to really flesh out a Starfleet espionage story more. I know it predates the concept but I wonder if it was a Section 31 operation?
All good points. However, I think the Enterprise D from "All Good Things" would have been better than just the "D". If it was because of budget constraints, that would at least have worked and the "D" being overwhelmed so easily by a couple of warbirds was really surprising
Why would Uhura have been tempted by the Venus drug? She was already young and beautiful, which is why the androids in I, Mudd tried to tempt her - because she would stay young and beautiful (in looks).Mudd's Women should have been expanded to include the scene where Mudd try's to sell Uhura the Venus Drug, it would have tied into the whole thing about Uhura's fear of aging.
That would have made me give up watching the show. There was already far too much Klingon crap.
I wish they'd expanded the first episode with the Traveler. It's ridiculous that the ship's mission is "to boldly go where no one has gone before" - and as soon as they get there, Picard says, "Get us out of here, we're going HOME!"
No sense of exploration at all from him, unless it's in some sandbox of an archaeological dig.
The only way to make "The Alternative Factor" work would be to edit it down to a story pitch, which ends with its rejection.
You know I love joining a discussion to not get a real reply. So you disagree, at least tell me why, otherwise just keep your emoticon answers to yourself.
You know I love joining a discussion to not get a real reply. So you disagree, at least tell me why, otherwise just keep your emoticon answers to yourself.
Section 31 says it all. I've hated it since it was introduced because every time Starfleet does something questionable people try to claim it as a Section 31 plot. They try to use Section 31 to keep Starfleet/Federation "pure". They've become everyone's favorite bogey-man and it makes me ill.
Better?
You know I love joining a discussion to not get a real reply. So you disagree, at least tell me why, otherwise just keep your emoticon answers to yourself.
Section 31 says it all. I've hated it since it was introduced because every time Starfleet does something questionable people try to claim it as a Section 31 plot. They try to use Section 31 to keep Starfleet/Federation "pure". They've become everyone's favorite bogey-man and it makes me ill.
Better?
Yes much better. Sorry you don't like the whole Section 31 angle but I find it interesting myself. Either way I still think that episode could be longer.
The whole episode's pacing was rushed; it fired off plot developments like a powerpoint presentation and the enterprise was zipping around all over the place. It should have been a two parter at the very least.
I would find it unrealistic that there wouldn't be an organization like that in Starfleet.
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Time's Arrow should have been a single episode because it comes across as a lot of filler.
Far from being "realistic," Section 31 is a preposterous idea. A super-secret organization that doesn't officially exist, that there are no records of, and there is no accountability for? Why would the Federation want such an organization? As I always point out, they already HAVE Starfleet Intelligence, which should really be doing the things 31 does, except they actually are part of a chain of command.
Think of present day. Organizations like the CIA sometimes do the dirty work in democratic countries, and this is quite well known. It's not like the US needs a secret club of rogue agents who just do what they want in what they think is the best interests of the US. Such a group would be more likely to draw countries into a war or screw things up then they would be likely to help.
Section 31 was a silly idea meant as a way for them to do things that Starfleet Intelligence should really be doing, but that can just be used to show how "bad" they are.
I've seen fans post that The Enterprise Incident (thief of the cloaking device) was a S31 operation, that's really stretching the concept.
Or at least in the Federation's governing organization somewhere.
While I don't think that it's impossible that S31 could have been exactly what Sloan intimated it to be, a group of private individuals, it is much more likely that S31 is simply a sub-department of a larger official intelligence agency.
I certainly have no problem with Sloan being ignorant as to who he actually worked for.
In The Children Shall Lead, the children controlled Sulu through fear he would make a miscalculation that would destroy the ship, Kirk through losing the ability to command, and Uhura through the prospect of growing old.
The Venus drug would have offered her the ability to retain her beauty, similar to the offer from the Mudd androids.
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