But did it say "Help meeeeeeee . . .."?
Episodes that are generally considered "bad" that you actually like
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But did it say "Help meeeeeeee . . .."?
Move Along Home. Love it. I kinda understand why people hate it, but I really enjoy it.
I really disliked that old version. It's a case where the remade version (with Jeff Goldblum) is ten times better than the original.
We really sympathize with Quark who's desperate that he could be forced to decide who dies and who lives. It's one episode that really shows a philanthropic side of him, that will later earn him the wrath of Brunt. The Ferengi apparently aren't supposed to be that way, according to Brunt that is.
I, too, have always has a soft spot for "MOVE ALONG HOME". Nice Quark scenes, the concept was really fun, and it showed another glimpse into technological prowess of the Gamma Quadrant. Gamma Quadrant races tend to have more exotic advances in technology, and I always liked that.
I will defend that episode. Definitely not the worst of the first season, let alone the series.
I will defend that episode. Definitely not the worst of the first season, let alone the series.
I confess I prefer the original version, which is the one that is burned into my brain. As a kid, in fact, I was convinced that the transporters in STAR TREK were based on the pioneering work of David Hedison in the original THE FLY. Always used to worry about a fly getting into the transporter beam with Captain Kirk.
Mind you, I haven't watched the Jeff Goldblum version since it debuted more than thirty years ago. Should probably give it a second chance someday.
No. But I've been known to simultaneously quote both Pulaski (in "Up the Long Ladder") and the original version of The Fly (I've actually seen neither version), and say that some inadequate piece of hardware or software "curled up its toes and said <squeaky falsetto>'Helllllpppppp meeeeeeee'</squeaky falsetto>."
I find myself quoting, or alluding to, movies I haven't actually seen (nor had the inclination to see), with some regularity. For example, when the subject of edible printing comes up (which I regularly have done by a local cake supply shop, when baking and decorating some cake for a special occasion), I always say:
(even though I've never seen Fight Club). And some years ago, when I was using a web service utility called SoapUI for a project at work, I gave it a desktop icon that was a modified Fight Club logo.
Wasn't there an ENT episode in which there was a transporter accident that was a direct allusion to one version (or maybe even both versions) of The Fly?
Oh, and I'd rather watch "Move Along Home" than any number of the more boringly violent Dominion War episodes.
Trivia: In the original short story "The Fly," the poor guy eventually gets mixed up with pieces of the cat disintegrated earlier in the story, so that he becomes a man-fly-cat hybrid. But that bit has yet to make it into any of the movie adaptations.
Although, for what it's worth, the 1950s movie is much more faithful to the original story.
Although, for what it's worth, the 1950s movie is much more faithful to the original story.
"The Q and The Grey" and "Q-Less". There isn't a Q episode I don't like, and these ones seem to get treated unfairly. They're not the best Q episodes, but they're not the weakest (that will always be "True Q" to me, but even if its the weakest Q episode for me I don't dislike it).
Yes, in his attempts to correct things, he actually made them worse, assuming that it's worse to have bits of cat in you than just a big chunk of fly... he ended like the terminator in the first movie, crushed by a hydraulic press, the only way to hide what he had become.
Well, I love pretty much all of TNG Season 2 so count episodes like "Time Squared", "The Royale" and "Unnatural Selection" as terrific episodes. Not sure what status they have in fandom.
I even like "Shades of Gray". Obviously it's not a great episode, but it is perfectly serviceable for what it needs to do. It seems to be an American TV convention to include at least one clip show (series like "Friends" and "Simpsons" seem to have lots!) in your series ("The A-Team" had one at the end of season 2, and they had even less episodes to play with than TNG). Now, given that constraint, at least TNG didn't go with the dreadful "character X might be leaving and everyone sits around remembering how wonderful they are via old clips" scenario - I've seen that one used in plenty of shows. Riker's brain infection, and using different types of memories as a defense, was at least slightly sci-fi.
I even like "Shades of Gray". Obviously it's not a great episode, but it is perfectly serviceable for what it needs to do. It seems to be an American TV convention to include at least one clip show (series like "Friends" and "Simpsons" seem to have lots!) in your series ("The A-Team" had one at the end of season 2, and they had even less episodes to play with than TNG). Now, given that constraint, at least TNG didn't go with the dreadful "character X might be leaving and everyone sits around remembering how wonderful they are via old clips" scenario - I've seen that one used in plenty of shows. Riker's brain infection, and using different types of memories as a defense, was at least slightly sci-fi.
The Royale has Noble Willingham. It's already a win.
I agree with others that The Royale wasn't a terrible episode. The only thing confusing about it is that it seems like it should be a holodeck malfunction episode, but it's not.
Speaking of holodeck malfunction episodes, I don't know why VOY's Spirit Folk is so hated. Yes, it's not the best, but it's not notably worse than any other episode of Voyager.
Sub Rosa actually isn't terrible, but it was really, really a stretch putting it into TNG, since it's a romantic ghost story.
Speaking of holodeck malfunction episodes, I don't know why VOY's Spirit Folk is so hated. Yes, it's not the best, but it's not notably worse than any other episode of Voyager.
Sub Rosa actually isn't terrible, but it was really, really a stretch putting it into TNG, since it's a romantic ghost story.
"The Royale" was, I thought, a good mystery episode. And it does leave some unanswered questions, something that I liked seeing every now and then.
Season 2 of TNG, for the most part, is very underrated. There were a lot of gems there... "Where Silence Has Lease", "The Schizoid Man", "Unnatural Selection", "A Matter Of Honor", "The Measure Of A Man", "Contagion", "The Royale", "Time Squared", "Q Who", "The Emissary", and "Peak Performance".
Season 2 of TNG, for the most part, is very underrated. There were a lot of gems there... "Where Silence Has Lease", "The Schizoid Man", "Unnatural Selection", "A Matter Of Honor", "The Measure Of A Man", "Contagion", "The Royale", "Time Squared", "Q Who", "The Emissary", and "Peak Performance".
I'm personally convinced that much of the second season's bad reputation is from those who resented Dr. Pulaski's presence.
As to Sub Rosa, two things:
(1) All fiction is genre fiction, even if it is the only specimen of its genre. Bad fiction is constrained by its genre; good fiction transcends its genre.
(2) Gates had a funny convention comment about "Sub Rosa": she remarked that she thought the idea of Dr. Crusher running around barefoot, outdoors, in the middle of the night, was a little silly, and remarked that she would have at least found a pair of thongs.
As to Sub Rosa, two things:
(1) All fiction is genre fiction, even if it is the only specimen of its genre. Bad fiction is constrained by its genre; good fiction transcends its genre.
(2) Gates had a funny convention comment about "Sub Rosa": she remarked that she thought the idea of Dr. Crusher running around barefoot, outdoors, in the middle of the night, was a little silly, and remarked that she would have at least found a pair of thongs.
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