Quite right, an even more spot on example. I actually found that android more sympathetic.
Episode of the Week : Requiem for Methuselah
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Agree. I love listening to it on the CD Soundtrack Collection. (Two versions of it are featured there, including one with an alternate ending.)
I never got strong chemistry between Rayna and Kirk, especially to the extent of him basically losing his mind over her. I like Louise Sorel and she could play the sweet and inexperienced side, but the brainy side didn't really come through for me.
Speaking of Kirk losing it, it was indeed a pretty poor show as he said. Shatner's acting in the melodramatic parts of this one always reminded me of him playing Kirk acting, as in "The Enterprise Incident." When I first saw this one in my teens I wondered if he was trying to put some kind of game over on Flint. But no, they really are just "fighting over a woman."
In addition to what Forbin and scotpens said above about the holes in Fint's backstory, I'm not crazy about the idea that it took an immortal superman to accomplish these great things, like a normal mortal couldn't do all that Leonardo did. But of course an "ordinary" human did do it all.
I always smile when M4 just floats in, drops the baggie of rytalyn on the table and leaves, it seemed like a person throwing something down with contempt.
I used to be pretty well-informed about who was related to whom in Hollywood, but it wasn't till this past year that I found out that James Daly was Tyne and Tim Daly's father (or indeed that they were brother and sister).
Robot replacements or companions and "love does not compute" wasn't new science fiction ground, but overall they did OK with it. Pretty good for S3 but ultimately just below average, I give it a 4.
Speaking of Kirk losing it, it was indeed a pretty poor show as he said. Shatner's acting in the melodramatic parts of this one always reminded me of him playing Kirk acting, as in "The Enterprise Incident." When I first saw this one in my teens I wondered if he was trying to put some kind of game over on Flint. But no, they really are just "fighting over a woman."
In addition to what Forbin and scotpens said above about the holes in Fint's backstory, I'm not crazy about the idea that it took an immortal superman to accomplish these great things, like a normal mortal couldn't do all that Leonardo did. But of course an "ordinary" human did do it all.
I always smile when M4 just floats in, drops the baggie of rytalyn on the table and leaves, it seemed like a person throwing something down with contempt.
I used to be pretty well-informed about who was related to whom in Hollywood, but it wasn't till this past year that I found out that James Daly was Tyne and Tim Daly's father (or indeed that they were brother and sister).
Robot replacements or companions and "love does not compute" wasn't new science fiction ground, but overall they did OK with it. Pretty good for S3 but ultimately just below average, I give it a 4.
Good concept, poorly realized. No urgency to the plague on board the ship, other than Kirk, Spock and McCoy mentioning the ticking clock. Kirk is in no hurry once he meets Rayna. And he falls for her in SECONDS. Falls so hard he'd rather dally about over her while his crew dies in orbit. The need was so desperate that, after Flint snowed him the first time, Kirk should have stunned everyone in the castle form orbit, fried M4 and taken when they needed. Apologize later.
The production model on the table was a cool visual, but its mass should have pulverized the table and sent the shit through the floor. But Flint's magic science probably teched the tech.
Except that...he didn't. Kirk was outclassed, or just doing a bad job. Flint threw Kirk around like a doll repeatedly and got in a good punch. Kirk? Hardly anything at all. This was actually one of the lamest fights of the series. An old dude in Hamlet tights throwing Kirk. Meh.
Too many things holding this episode back. A 4.
The production model on the table was a cool visual, but its mass should have pulverized the table and sent the shit through the floor. But Flint's magic science probably teched the tech.
Except that...he didn't. Kirk was outclassed, or just doing a bad job. Flint threw Kirk around like a doll repeatedly and got in a good punch. Kirk? Hardly anything at all. This was actually one of the lamest fights of the series. An old dude in Hamlet tights throwing Kirk. Meh.
Too many things holding this episode back. A 4.
Shatner certainly lost it with Sorel during their dancing scene! 
JB
JB
Except of course that would have failed, while wooing Rayna worked.
As said, Flint outclassed Kirk in a fight. And that holds regardless of the weapons chosen - fists, stun phasers, starships. Flint had but one Achilles heel, so Kirk's head-over-said-heel approach made perfect sense... That's how Star Trek works: instead of the brute force approach, Kirk outwits his opponent in a way that surprises even the audience.
Did that happen? Some of Flint's personae accomplished nothing particularly great; others literally became Biblical figures. But that's in the eye of the beholder. Flint was probably just living life as he saw fit, rather than "accomplishing" anything exceptional. On occasion, that meant concentrating on an issue or three for a lifetime, which would almost inevitably result in memorable things. But being millennia old wasn't a requirement. And it's not as if Flint as Brahms would have tried to outdo others - Brahms isn't remebered as a "superior" composer or anything.
Timo Saloniemi
Hahaha...!!! Those tights! Sooner, or later, everyone in STAR TREK ended up having to sport a pair. Even Kirk did, a couple of times. Like, in the gymnasium, he wore an orange pair, with a STAR TREK symbol on the hip region, in the episode "Charlie X," if I recall. Always with the tights, on this series ...
3.5 stars, 7/10. One of the better efforts of the 3rd season, but still flawed. I know a lot of women who roll their eyes at this one and it's hard to blame them. The sole function of this intelligent AI/android is to fall in love with a male human? How sad. Of course it happens to be between Kirk and Gilgamesh! It's a close one...
The first 20 minutes or so of this episode are the best part. It's like a chess game. 5 stars till we meet Rayna.
Flint is the immortal man?? Why isn't he more interesting? I wish the actor had made some different choices.
Why is the robot so far less advanced than Rayna?
The new digital matte is exquisite. I'd almost add an extra .5 stars for it.
RAMA
The first 20 minutes or so of this episode are the best part. It's like a chess game. 5 stars till we meet Rayna.
Flint is the immortal man?? Why isn't he more interesting? I wish the actor had made some different choices.
Why is the robot so far less advanced than Rayna?
The new digital matte is exquisite. I'd almost add an extra .5 stars for it.
RAMA
5.
There are some interesting, big ideas in this episode -- unfortunately, none of them are particularly well-executed. This one was a rewrite (or two) away from being good; as it stands, it's pretty average. The most memorable moment, ironically, is the ending.
"Forget..."
There are some interesting, big ideas in this episode -- unfortunately, none of them are particularly well-executed. This one was a rewrite (or two) away from being good; as it stands, it's pretty average. The most memorable moment, ironically, is the ending.
"Forget..."
Who got mind-raped? M-4?
JB
JB
That wasn't really rape, that was a friend helping another friend to forget an android woman with whom he got a stalker on with and fell in love with while fighting a guy older than recorded time who thought he was a thousand different people on a planet he bought and which was killing him! There solved!
JB
JB
This was a pretty bad one, and I'm going to tell you exactly why.
The episode starts off with the Enterprise in immediate danger, requiring a need for a substance to heal the ailment of the crew. Surely, this MUST be the top priority of Kirk and his landing party. In the beginning, we are given the impression that Kirk, Bones, and Spock are going to do whatever it takes to obtain this substance, as it is OBVIOUSLY of utmost importance.
And yet, instead of taking the initiative to solve this problem as quickly as possible, they show far more interest in spending their valuable time learning about this man, his history, and even DANCING, for fuck's sake. Your crew is in immediate danger, and you're going waste your precious time dancing and playing music? What the hell is up with that? Their sole and primary concern upon going to this planet, as was made clear in the opening scene, was obtaining medicine. Their total lack of prudence in achieving this goal is utterly inexplicable.
The episode starts off with the Enterprise in immediate danger, requiring a need for a substance to heal the ailment of the crew. Surely, this MUST be the top priority of Kirk and his landing party. In the beginning, we are given the impression that Kirk, Bones, and Spock are going to do whatever it takes to obtain this substance, as it is OBVIOUSLY of utmost importance.
And yet, instead of taking the initiative to solve this problem as quickly as possible, they show far more interest in spending their valuable time learning about this man, his history, and even DANCING, for fuck's sake. Your crew is in immediate danger, and you're going waste your precious time dancing and playing music? What the hell is up with that? Their sole and primary concern upon going to this planet, as was made clear in the opening scene, was obtaining medicine. Their total lack of prudence in achieving this goal is utterly inexplicable.
I'm still waiting on the concrete part.
Walk into the wilderness? Flint won't let them. And while he makes a perfectly valid point of the robot being faster at the task, it's clear that he's just plain refusing to cooperate, and there's no defying him and his superior firepower. Not directly, anyway - hence the dance with Rayna.
So, any ideas on how to Get Things Done without outmaneuvering Flint first?
Timo Saloniemi
Walk into the wilderness? Flint won't let them. And while he makes a perfectly valid point of the robot being faster at the task, it's clear that he's just plain refusing to cooperate, and there's no defying him and his superior firepower. Not directly, anyway - hence the dance with Rayna.
So, any ideas on how to Get Things Done without outmaneuvering Flint first?
Timo Saloniemi
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