Nothing you said in this post is even remotely accurate.
Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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Nothing you said in this post is even remotely accurate.
and yet all the marketing made it feel like a sequelIt is? Why didn't someone tell me????
No, it's not a full reboot. It's following standard mythological tropes of the next generation having to face down evil, as evil is only defeated "for a time."
Calling it a reboot pretty much ignores the whole film and is a very surface-level criticism.
But, even if you treat it as a full reboot then where is the harm in enjoying (or ignoring) the ST? At this point, all the complaining about the ST is for the sake of complaining. There is enough variety of SW out there for everyone. Let's not rip this one apart just because it doesn't work for everyone.
Or, shall I go in to the Mandalorian thread and tear it apart. Because, that's where we are at,
Because that's what it is.
Han went from being a smuggler to joining a group and caring about more than himself.. in the sequels he is a smuggler deadbeat dad.
Luke went from a farmboy who wanted adventure, to a hero of the rebellion who redeemed his father.. to being an asshole living on and island and leaving his friends and family to deal with things on their own.
Leia went from being a hero in the rebellion to being a general and harboring an illicit band of rebels without her own government knowing.,. which should have been necessary if she worked hard to keep the government they fought so hard for.
the sequels follow all the same story beats as the originals..
Truth in advertising strikes again.
I'm not sure what your point is, but you're ignoring a whole lot of nuance with these generalizations.
Han only went back to smuggling after the son he loved turned to the Dark Side, Luke only went into exile after the same event, and Leia only went back to leading an underground fighting force combating an evil authoritarian organization after the government she helped found flat-out refused to do so themselves.
sure. Yet except for a badly directed flashback.. it all happened off screen.. it's a garbage fire..uninspired turn that manages to ruin archetype characters. But it's fine .. you're right. Yay..
Then don't watch it, since missing the point seems to be a constant theme of these posts.
Do you have a point besides complaining about things that aren't actually problematic?
I'm honestly not sure why you even bother to watch any of the Star Wars episodic films because every single one of them follows the same basic cyclical formula (some better than others, but that's neither here nor there).
Pretty much this. It's complaining for the sake of it, and/or trying to ruin the experience of others.
If you have complaints about the show, then yes. You should absolutely share them in the discussion thread for that show.
Didn't what?
Same.
Same.
So over thirty years peoples' circumstances changed and they reverted to old habits once they weren't fighting a war.
That seems strange to you? Were you expecting to see Grand Admiral Solo or Luke as the head of a new Jedi council? I'd buy that, it's pretty much where the old EU went, but there's no reason it had to. Most people who are heroes in a major conflict then go on to quietly being postmen or schoolteachers or, yup, criminals. It happens in the real world and it happens in fictional ones too.
For between 28 to 30 of the 34 years that elapse between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens, Luke was traveling the galaxy and training new Jedi students, Han was a professional space racer, and Leia was a politician living a happily married - if somewhat long-distance - life with Han.
It is only when things went to shit for the galaxy with the rise of the First Order and the fall of Han and Leia's son Ben that those three characters' lives fell apart and they ended up where we find them in TFA and/or TLJ.
It is only when things went to shit for the galaxy with the rise of the First Order and the fall of Han and Leia's son Ben that those three characters' lives fell apart and they ended up where we find them in TFA and/or TLJ.
It's almost as though everything they had worked for had fell apart and they dealt with that in their own ways....
Leia going back to being a freedom fighter actually started out as a mission of principle because the New Republic government wouldn't acknowledge that the First Order was a threat, so it wasn't a response to her, Han, and Luke's lives falling apart once Ben turned since it preceded his fall by a couple of years.
It's mentioned in The Making of Empire Strikes Back IIRC in a caption from a storyboard. Unfortunately a storm took out my internet for the the day, so I'm limited to posting from my phone and can't get the specific info at the moment. I'll post it when I get a chance.
To what end? There is enough negativity in this fandom without my adding to my lack of enjoyment with a show.
Know the history.
Sounds like we're closer than it first appeared.
For the sake of clarity; said caption is editorial by Rinzler. The actual storyboard description just refers to it as "object falling".
However in 'The Empire Strikes Back Notebook' published in 1980, that same image is linked to a passage in the script which indicates that it's just a piece of the weather vein that broke off.
I mean thinking about it logically: what are the odd that Luke's hand & sabre which fell into the main shaft a full minute or two ahead of him would just happen to drop into the same *tiny* exhaust port? Slim to nil, I'd say.
Plus if that really was his sabre I think it would have been made a *lot* more explicit.
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Did you actually pay attention to the movie? Most of your complaints seem to be based on the surface level of the movie, and are pretty easy to counter if you actually paid attention. I'm wondering if you might like the movie a bit better if you gave it another try, and tried paying closer attention you might be able to pick up on some of this stuff that you didn't get.
This has to get you excited!
"Duel" TV spot using cues from the original "Duel of the Fates"
"Duel" TV spot using cues from the original "Duel of the Fates"
