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Seriously man, you keep beating autoadmin to the punch and it's going to become a time travelling a.i intent on absorbing you into itselfNone of the Enterprise bridge
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Future Michael or Zora is creating them
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A few "Federation Fighters" on Rhys' display hmm
The Enterprise has its own fighter squadron now? I think I hear the sound of the "Starfleet isn't military" crowd crying.
Will we be able to hear them over the yelling from "I never saw fighters in TOS, therefore Starfleet never had them" crowd?
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We won't be able to hear them over the fapping of the fans who LOVE the idea of the federation having fighter craft. Seriously, just check out most of the trek art on deviantart or all the fanfic set during the dominion war etc...
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The Federation did have fighter craft during the Dominion War. It wasn't a fanfic thing.
I don't think there's been fighters attached to starships in visual canon though. You think the starship porn aficionados will be down and not complain because their ship diagrams don't have hangar decks or launch tubes?
If anything, we have been wondering why Kirk's ship has this giant flight deck for a teeny weeny shuttle that appears to be hangared belowdecks anyway (except in TAS "Mudd's Passion" - perhaps the hangar floor was being polished that day?). Now we know: there's capacity for more.
In the Dominion War, we never saw dedicated carriers, so apparently regular ships do carry fightercraft. When needed... I wonder whether Pike's ship was told to prepare?
Timo Saloniemi
In the Dominion War, we never saw dedicated carriers, so apparently regular ships do carry fightercraft. When needed... I wonder whether Pike's ship was told to prepare?
Timo Saloniemi
I’m sure they would have a vague designation like Mini Escort Class, in the spirit of Defiant’s.
I always assumed it doubled as a dance floor.
We shall see soon enough. Unless Rhys's display won't correspond to anything seen on-screen
The Federation's Dominion war era fighters were 25 meters long and wider even than that. This would make them too large for most shuttlebays (though the main shuttlebay of a Galaxy could probably fit a couple). Either there were carriers with huge shuttlebays that we never saw onscreen or the fighters mostly traveled independently with frequent in flight refueling.
There's a pronounced fold line in the wings, at the exact point that would allow the craft to land on their bellies with the wingtips turned up - no doubt on purpose. If we scale them by their cockpit, which is a clear redress of the Type 15 shuttlepod prop and has a matching windshield on the model, they are only about 15 meters long and fit aboard basically all the starships ever seen with their wingtips folded. This is more or less in keeping with the "The Maquis" direct comparison with the 23m runabouts, too.
The fighters could do better than the runabouts' supposed warp 5, again per "The Maquis", but having them fly independently as part of the big formations would still appear insane unless they can do warp 9 - such drag anchors would do more damage than good. Yet we always see these fighters deployed at "fleet departure" and "fleet arrival" scenes. Although admittedly neither of these actually involves the fleet going to warp or dropping out of warp in front of the cameras... So all interpretations are still possible.
Timo Saloniemi
The fighters could do better than the runabouts' supposed warp 5, again per "The Maquis", but having them fly independently as part of the big formations would still appear insane unless they can do warp 9 - such drag anchors would do more damage than good. Yet we always see these fighters deployed at "fleet departure" and "fleet arrival" scenes. Although admittedly neither of these actually involves the fleet going to warp or dropping out of warp in front of the cameras... So all interpretations are still possible.
Timo Saloniemi
There is nothing wrong with this, seeing as how we have had several auxiliary craft and one man craft shown in Star Trek, from the Academy trainers, to the Peregrine fight craft and Maquis raiders, which apparently had a variety of sizes.
I never understood the objection to such things.
Folding wings makes sense, I'll buy that. And at 15 meters, that would probably solve the problem completely.
I believe the objection is based on the fact that fighters have essentially no peacetime purpose, unlike all other Starfleet craft. Plus, their usefulness is questionable when starship phasers are powerful enough and accurate enough to easily destroy them.
I still think they're cool though.
They seem to be effective against the Dominion at times.
AI's used in naval engagment scenarios have shown that small swarm tactics can overwhelm large capital ships, even if they are slower and underpowered. It does require an acceptance of horrific losses, however.
The scenarios were put to the test repeatedly in EVE Online a few years ago when the Goon alliances overwhelmed much stronger and well trained fleets worth tens of thousands of dollars when confronted with overwhelming waves of small frigates with minimal training tackling and engaging these large fleets and forcing them to paint multiple targets and be stalled into a battlefield not of their choosing.
There is precidence for this. While not exactly using swarm tactics, the largest naval battle in history, Red Cliffs, was won by an out numbered force under the banners of Liu Bei and Sun Quan against Cao Cao's armada again by using very small craft with their only capital ships turned into uncontrolled fireships.
It would make sense for large starfleet fleet actions to roll out the small fighters if only to enage any kind of would-be tackler swarms sent in via an enemy.
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