Entertainment Weekly Cover Story (7/28)

[fireproof78]

For religion, GR simply approached it in Star Trek that it would be a far more private matter.

Regardless, the idea that all religions would be abandoned in the future is not something that I find particularly "utopian" or "idealistic" because it assumes that all religious beliefs and ideologies lead to negative outcomes.

In that instance, I like DS9 and B5 for those aspects.

 

[Mudd]

It's not period drama.

In TOS the characters talked like everyone else on TV in the 1960s.

In TNG/DS9/Voyager/Enterprise The characters talked like everyone on TV in the 1960s...but took themselves more seriously.

Fuck, the characters on GoT live in a medieval world and still talk more like people than modern Trek characters do.

Breaking through that a little bit is one if the great things the Abrams Trek movies have done.

 

[Longinus]

Regardless, the idea that all religions would be abandoned in the future is not something that I find particularly "utopian" or "idealistic" because it assumes that all religious beliefs and ideologies lead to negative outcomes.

Religion almost always includes believing major ontological assumptions without proper evidence, and often, though not always, the the idea that powerful 'supernatural' beings are something that should be venerated and obeyed without a question.

I really can't see either of those things as positive. And I'm really glad no one started worshipping Q in TNG.

 

[fireproof78]

Religion almost always includes believing major ontological assumptions without proper evidence, and often, though not always, the the idea that powerful 'supernatural' beings are something that should be venerated and obeyed without a question.

I really can't see either of those things as positive. And I'm really glad no one started worshipping Q in TNG.

I question things all the time...I think that it could evolve as well as part of humanity's growth.

 

[Longinus]

It's not period drama.

Technically, it kinda is. Just futuristic rather than historic one.

In TOS the characters talked like everyone else on TV in the 1960s.

Possibly. Still, we can see the contrast in ST IV when Kirk (and Spock!) try to speak like 20th century people.

In TNG/DS9/Voyager/Enterprise The characters talked like everyone on TV in the 1960s...but took themselves more seriously.

It was fine. Good in fact.

Fuck, the characters on GoT live in a medieval world and still talk more like people than modern Trek characters do.

Not really, nor should they. I mean neither should talk like modern people.

Breaking through that a little bit is one if the great things the Abrams Trek movies have done.

I disagree.

 

[The Wormhole]

I generally like how in many Star Trek productions people do not use exactly modern colloquial language. It kinda gives it a feel of (good) period drama and helps the immersion that these are people from different time.

If anything, as Trek went on dialogue became way too stilted with unnecessary alternatives being used for common everyday terms.

If anything, that's probably why sci-fi in general and Trek in particular are stigmatized among the general public, it tries too hard to be different to the point that it's alienating. Instead of calling a spade a spade, it would probably be identified soil blade or something. And worse, sci-fi fans seem to lap this up and consider it a necessity to their entertainment. Just look at how many accuse Ron Moore's BSG as being "unimaginative" just because the costumes and vocabulary (aside from "frak") are taken from modern day.

Breaking through that a little bit is one if the great things the Abrams Trek movies have done.

I remember when the clip was first released of the conversation between Kirk and Pike after the bar fight in Trek XI and Kirk says "why are you talking to me, man?" and everyone online shit bricks because "people in Star Trek aren't supposed to talk like that! Gene's Vision!!!!111!!111oneoneone."

I will admit, the obsession the Abrams movies have with everyone talking over each other is very annoying and got tiring very quickly. Thankfully, they dropped that in Beyond.

 

[Gov Kodos]

It's not period drama.

In TOS the characters talked like everyone else on TV in the 1960s.

In TNG/DS9/Voyager/Enterprise The characters talked like everyone on TV in the 1960s...but took themselves more seriously.

Fuck, the characters on GoT live in a medieval world and still talk more like people than modern Trek characters do.

Breaking through that a little bit is one if the great things the Abrams Trek movies have done.

This 60s sci-fi of a mutiny on a colony ship could have been a Trek episode from any of the series.

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

Just an odd thought. Could Captain Lorca not be from Earth or of Earth human decent (even with a name like Gabriel), and thus just not use as many familiar colloquialisms as an Earth human would? What if he is from Alpha Centauri or maybe Izar instead? There seem to be plenty of humans that are not Earth humans in Star Trek

FWIW, Alpha Centauri is a human colony.

 

[BillJ]

Just an odd thought. Could Captain Lorca not be from Earth or of Earth human decent (even with a name like Gabriel), and thus just not use as many familiar colloquialisms as an Earth human would?

The on-set interaction doesn't give that as a reason, because that would be a good one. Beyer clearly states that they believe in science in Roddenberry's 23rd century and wouldn't be saying "God".

 

[Ridcully]

Lots of words are used that nobody belives in....
God is one very wide term at best!

 

[Tenacity]

Just an odd thought. Could Captain Lorca not be from Earth or of Earth human decent (even with a name like Gabriel)

As a way of reducing the number of Humans in top shipboard command positions on the show? This would meet with my approval.

As for the name, once contact is made between alien species I could see children being given alien names by their parents, so a alien with the name of Gabriel? Sure.

Who knows, maybe Captain Lorca's family converted to one of the Abrahamic religions prior to his birth and decided to name their son "God is my strength."

to there being a race of space-faring logicians who study the cosmos

Who on the show are shown to have religion and religious practices.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The on-set interaction doesn't give that as a reason, because that would be a good one.

Ain't that the truth.

Beyer clearly states that they believe in science in Roddenberry's 23rd century and wouldn't be saying "God".

It IS possible to be both.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I'm an Atheist, and I still let a "My god" or "god dammit" slip through on occasion.

Me too, especially during sex. Both exclamations...

 

[Mudd]

I say "God bless you" quite often; it seems to make people feel good.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

the complete extinction of all religious belief within a society would suggest a disturbing uniformity of thought and intolerance of a diversity of opinion. Is the suggestion, that over the course of Star Trek humanity's history that members of the faith community come to be shunned, even discriminated against? Perhaps, yet into the second season of TOS, we see people of faith, Dr Daystrom was a man of faith indeed that proved to be the key factor in defeating M5

 

[JD]

I say "God bless you" quite often; it seems to make people feel good.

Maybe people who happen to be religious, but I as an atheist, I absolutely hate it when people do that.
It's not that I have a problem with religious people, or believing in god, I just don't like people assuming that I have to believe in god.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

the complete extinction of all religious belief within a society would suggest a disturbing uniformity of thought and intolerance of a diversity of opinion.

I don't see why that would be disturbing, provided it happened naturally and peacefully, which is exactly what Star Trek suggests.

You statement assumes that all atheists think alike, when one might be a humanist, another an existentialist, another a stoic, another a Taoist, another a non-theistic Buddhist, another a non-theistic Hindu, or one of any number of things - most are a combination of many many philosophies, opinions, etc.

Who on the show are shown to have religion and religious practices.

...which is a secular religion.

Look, this is becoming an emotive issue clearly, and I hate when forums just became a back and forth rhetoric contest with people quoting others out of context, so I'll bow out.

 

[Mr Awe]

I do find it odd that "God" is somehow offensive and has no place in Roddenberry's vision, yet violence will be front and center from the look of the trailers.

Gods come and go. In and out of fashion. Just ask Apollo from "Who Mourns for Adonais?"

However, violence always remains. Violence is the constant.

However, I take your point about sometimes just wanting some escapist fun that sparks your imagination. I really do. That seems to not be in vogue now. However, if the tone/style of Discovery really is more like Game of Thrones, then I'm ok with it because I love that show to pieces.

 

[Markonian]

So, is this particular mag only available in the USA?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't see why that would be disturbing, provided it happened naturally and peacefully

You know that can't happen.