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Enterprise : The First Adventure out of sync with canon

Timo said:
It fails: the fact that Kirk creates the robe is not transmitted to the audience. One has to have it explained before it can be seen.

I disagree. When I first saw the film I thought it was pretty apparent that Kirk was responsible for the robe appearing. I didn't need anything explained. When I read the book years later this was confirmed, but I was never confused about it at all.
 
Timo said: the fact that Kirk creates the robe is not transmitted to the audience. One has to have it explained before it can be seen.

Seemed pretty obvious to me.

It's like saying that we should immediately know about Ilia's pheromones when she enters the bridge, when the far more reasonable explanation for everybody's behavior is that Ilia has an attractive female body.

There have been plenty of hot babes in the various Trek series, and I don't recall any other time when one of them entered the bridge and everyone immediately "snapped to attention" :devil: . I suspected there was something else at work there. There were lines about Ilia's "oath of celibacy" and all that, suggesting that Deltans were subject to out of control attractions to their crewmates if they didn't do something about it.
 
Is it me, or the more I read this book, the more it just seems silly? I'm just not liking the worldship and the flyers. Also, I'm finding the circus to be more annoying as it goes along.
 
Is it me, or the more I read this book, the more it just seems silly? I'm just not liking the worldship and the flyers. Also, I'm finding the circus to be more annoying as it goes along.

When I first read it, when it came out, I was more annoyed that there'd been no consultation on McInytre's work with the writers of the great "All Those Years Ago..." (Annual #1) of DC Comics, which also celebrated the TOS 20th anniversary with a "first adventure" storyline. Until then, Pocket and DC had done quite a few information trades, but not this time.

I then read the book a second time and the worldship stuff and First Contact stuff becomes more interesting. It especially lives well in the Simon & Schuster Audioworks.

I was never too keen on Steven the blond Vulcan juggler, cousin of Spock, who was experimenting with expressing emotions. Ugh. (But then, we got Sybok...)

I've probably said all this earlier in the thread...
 
I remember hearing the audiobook a long time ago (early highschool, I think), and just thinking it was wierd. So when I read the book about a year ago, I wasn't expecting much. But I actually thought it was pretty good. I haven't got around to listening to the audiobook again. One thing I remember about it, though, is that it really sounded like George Takei was doing a caricature of Shatner with his exageratedly stunted delivery for Kirk. And that was before I knew how much Takei hates Shatner.
 
It really sounded like George Takei was doing a caricature of Shatner with his exageratedly stunted delivery for Kirk. And that was before I knew how much Takei hates Shatner.

There are directors of these productions, you know. It's not as if George Takei was able to comandeer the microphone and take advantage to satirize Shatner. :)

And Takei doesn't hate Shatner; he is annoyed at some of Shatner's actions over the years. (James Doohan was the actor who happily admitted to convention audiences that he hated Shatner.) I have heard all of George Takei's ST audios and I can't say any of them sounded like he was doing a caricature performance of Kirk.
 
It really sounded like George Takei was doing a caricature of Shatner with his exageratedly stunted delivery for Kirk. And that was before I knew how much Takei hates Shatner.

There are directors of these productions, you know. It's not as if George Takei was able to comandeer the microphone and take advantage to satirize Shatner. :)

And Takei doesn't hate Shatner; he is annoyed at some of Shatner's actions over the years. (James Doohan was the actor who happily admitted to convention audiences that he hated Shatner.) I have heard all of George Takei's ST audios and I can't say any of them sounded like he was doing a caricature performance of Kirk.

Like I said, I haven't heard it in years. That wasn't a scientific observation or anything, just something I remember hearing at the time.
And hey, all the Star Trek directors let Shatner mispronounce "sabotage" all those times. Stranger things have gotten past directors.
 
I think I heard him do the same with "camouflage" in a recently aired episode. Maybe it's not mispronunciation, just the accent of his native region of Canada (Toronto?).

Meanwhile, why does everyone mock Shatner for "sabotadge" but give a pass to Kelley for pronouncing "crystalline" like "Chris talon"?
 
I think I heard him do the same with "camouflage" in a recently aired episode. Maybe it's not mispronunciation, just the accent of his native region of Canada (Toronto?).

Meanwhile, why does everyone mock Shatner for "sabotadge" but give a pass to Kelley for pronouncing "crystalline" like "Chris talon"?

Shatner's from Montreal, so I'd expect him to be able to properly pronounce words taken directly from the French language. But I can't remember hearing him pronounce either sabotage or camouflage. Does he give them a soft G sound instead of a zh sound? If so, that's probably just him, not any Canadian accent.
 
Meanwhile, why does everyone mock Shatner for "sabotadge" but give a pass to Kelley for pronouncing "crystalline" like "Chris talon"?

Because there's that old story about Shatner berated on of the other actors for pointing out that he mispronounced sabotage (he said, as the story goes, "Don't tell me how to act! It sickens me!"). So now, whenever he mispronounces sabotage on the show (which, to my surprise, happens more than once), I remember that story and thus remember him having done it, again.
Whereas McCoy is just an ol' country doctor, who's expected to fudge over some words now and then. It makes him quaint and folksy. ;)

But I can't remember hearing him pronounce either sabotage or camouflage. Does he give them a soft G sound instead of a zh sound? If so, that's probably just him, not any Canadian accent.

He pronounces the last syllable with an A as in "badge."
 
^ That might be an accent (I've also never heard him speak it, so can't say for sure). The 'a' is sabotage is pronounced differently in French than in English, more open (mostly because 'sabot' is still pronounced individually). No idea where the 'd' might come from, though. Nobody here puts a 'd' in sabotage.

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I most recently heard it in "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," for those who have the DVDs. I don't specifically remember, but it was likely after Gorshin zaps the Engine and Self-Destruct controls.
 
Is it me, or the more I read this book, the more it just seems silly? I'm just not liking the worldship and the flyers. Also, I'm finding the circus to be more annoying as it goes along.
No, it's not you, or at least not just you.

It never really came together for me, and none of the guest characters were compelling enough to get me to care how it all came out.
 
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