Does anyone have a better image of the Enterprise-J than what is in the Ships of the Line calendar?
Enterprise-J
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UMMMMMMMMM, Enterprise -J Did i miss something?
He's referring to this:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Enterprise_J
AlboOfBorg, here you go:
Pic: http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Ncc1701jlarge.jpg
Thanks
Hahaha, very funny Meaux lol
Thanks JayTheTrekkie, but I was looking for something along the lines of shots of the ship from different angles, like what the underside looks like.
As far as I know we never saw any such shots, either in print or on the show.
Don't forget this (ugly-as-hell-IMHO) version of he E-J that was in a different Ships of the Line:
I'm not sure the full story behind it, but apparently the artist wanted a E-J that was less obviously a future version of the NX-type starship, and more in line with later Enterprises. (Those windows on the underside of the secondary/engineering hull..wouldn't
t those be on the *floor*!?)
I like the E-J design seen in Enterprise (see my av) even if it does take it's inspiration more from the NX class):
I don't know about the underside, but I imagine that the
forward part that contains the nav-deflector, and the spine that connects it to the V-shaped section holding the nacelles (and, of course, that section and the nacelles themselves) can detach from the saucer/disc bellow them and fly forward and leave the saucer behind. (Some conjectured versions of the who ship show it permanently connected to the saucer section, but I like to think it's *obvious* that they can separate and fly off on their own as a "battle section".
I imagine this class is very much the "city in space" that the 1701-D aspired to be. Someone here even once suggested that some of those "skylights" could cover a big promenade or two. Or park-like section.
My only beef is that the V-shaped section in the back seems too small to contain the warp crystal-thing, impulse engines (if those are still even in use by the 26th century - maybe they use gravitic propulsion) as well as a third shuttle bay) the other two can be seen on the right and left of the saucer (and there may be more on the underside of it as per those seem on the alternate version of the E-J shown above. Plus, I am not sue I'd want warp-plasma conduits and impulse engines - and a shuttle bay - all that close together - one torpedo up the ass (in an impulse vent - a section where the shields are already weak according to TNG) or plasma breech or impulse malfunction...and *KABOOM*..
I'm not sure the full story behind it, but apparently the artist wanted a E-J that was less obviously a future version of the NX-type starship, and more in line with later Enterprises. (Those windows on the underside of the secondary/engineering hull..wouldn't
t those be on the *floor*!?)
I like the E-J design seen in Enterprise (see my av) even if it does take it's inspiration more from the NX class):
I don't know about the underside, but I imagine that the
forward part that contains the nav-deflector, and the spine that connects it to the V-shaped section holding the nacelles (and, of course, that section and the nacelles themselves) can detach from the saucer/disc bellow them and fly forward and leave the saucer behind. (Some conjectured versions of the who ship show it permanently connected to the saucer section, but I like to think it's *obvious* that they can separate and fly off on their own as a "battle section".
I imagine this class is very much the "city in space" that the 1701-D aspired to be. Someone here even once suggested that some of those "skylights" could cover a big promenade or two. Or park-like section.
My only beef is that the V-shaped section in the back seems too small to contain the warp crystal-thing, impulse engines (if those are still even in use by the 26th century - maybe they use gravitic propulsion) as well as a third shuttle bay) the other two can be seen on the right and left of the saucer (and there may be more on the underside of it as per those seem on the alternate version of the E-J shown above. Plus, I am not sue I'd want warp-plasma conduits and impulse engines - and a shuttle bay - all that close together - one torpedo up the ass (in an impulse vent - a section where the shields are already weak according to TNG) or plasma breech or impulse malfunction...and *KABOOM*..
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Too bad, that hall Archer was in was *obviously* in a section the protruded from the underside of the saucer..I'd like to see what it looked like from the outside:
(Anyone got any better pics? I know there's one of Archer and Daniels standing in front of the window....)
BTW - I hated that corridor - and window - design. *Ugly*. But a bit Cardassian-inspired looking to me...I dunno why, just seems to have hints of Cardassian aesthetic to me.
(BTW, the search engine here still sucks..I typed in "Enterprise-J" and got links to every thread on the board *except* this one! That happens a lot it seems...at least to me.)
The Enterprise-D as designed by Andrew Probert was a "city in space." The Enterprise-D as depicted on Star Trek: The Next Generation was far less so.
Ever notice how much the Enterprise-J looks like the NX class? Obviously a sleeker, more advanced version, but still.
My theory is that the Ent-J as seen onscreen comes from a timeline where the war with the Sphere Builders drained a lot of resources, and thus starship design never progressed as far as it should. Thus the ship looks basically like an uprated NX class.
In the real timeline, where the Builders were defeated in the 22nd century and the Expanse is destroyed (in the J's timeline, the Expanse is about 1/4 of the galaxy), whichever Enterprise exists in the 26th century will probably look very different than this.
My theory is that the Ent-J as seen onscreen comes from a timeline where the war with the Sphere Builders drained a lot of resources, and thus starship design never progressed as far as it should. Thus the ship looks basically like an uprated NX class.
In the real timeline, where the Builders were defeated in the 22nd century and the Expanse is destroyed (in the J's timeline, the Expanse is about 1/4 of the galaxy), whichever Enterprise exists in the 26th century will probably look very different than this.
Meh - one torpedo up the ass without shields and any ship would be reduced to a rapidly expanding cloud of vapor and metal shards, anyway. Torpedo yields run into the dozens of megatons.
Hence the rational behind this version, I hear:
Still, I like the "original" E-J design, NX inspired or not. But your theory may have merit. Still, I like to think that design still exists in some form in the "real" timeline.
On a ship that size, post TNG, I'll bet they use personal site-to-site transporters to get around.
In a crisis, you don't need the captain taking 20 miutes to get to the bridge.
Or the turbolifts are *damn* fast! (Likely they are damn fast anyway.)
And that saucer, if it does detach, likely has it's own mini-warp drive...like in the Prometheus class.
Also, I imagine holo-emitters are standard on every deck.) Likely have been for several starshp generations back...)
And maybe we finally got that 2-story bridge TNG was toying with...
I imagine it at least has transwarp/slipstream drive.
Borg armor, at least. (Although this may be another timeline.)
Only problem is we never see any real major advances in technology. From Archer's day in the 22nd century, to
Picard's in the 24th...to now it seems like in the 26th: same old impulse engines, warp drive, matter/antimatter engines...2 nacelles...saucer section...(even the 29th Century U.S.S. Relativity, other than the temporal technology , things still looked very recognizable inside...though the *outside* was a nice change in design!)
In a crisis, you don't need the captain taking 20 miutes to get to the bridge.
Or the turbolifts are *damn* fast! (Likely they are damn fast anyway.)
And that saucer, if it does detach, likely has it's own mini-warp drive...like in the Prometheus class.
Also, I imagine holo-emitters are standard on every deck.) Likely have been for several starshp generations back...)
And maybe we finally got that 2-story bridge TNG was toying with...
I imagine it at least has transwarp/slipstream drive.
Borg armor, at least. (Although this may be another timeline.)
Only problem is we never see any real major advances in technology. From Archer's day in the 22nd century, to
Picard's in the 24th...to now it seems like in the 26th: same old impulse engines, warp drive, matter/antimatter engines...2 nacelles...saucer section...(even the 29th Century U.S.S. Relativity, other than the temporal technology , things still looked very recognizable inside...though the *outside* was a nice change in design!)
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Also, maybe the E-J isn't meant to be a direct live to the previous 1701 vessels, but a 26 Century version of the Miranda or Akira classes...though why it would be, I dunno...I think the name "Enterprise" would be used on the most high-tech advanced Ships of the Line.
But maybe *both* those classes labeled E-J exist in the 26th century.
Though why all the windows are on the ceilings or floors is beyond me...
Frankly, obviously NX/Akira inspired or not, I like the original pizza cutter version to the alternate that was created later to look more typical...that ship is just...ugly. Sorry.
But maybe *both* those classes labeled E-J exist in the 26th century.
Though why all the windows are on the ceilings or floors is beyond me...
Frankly, obviously NX/Akira inspired or not, I like the original pizza cutter version to the alternate that was created later to look more typical...that ship is just...ugly. Sorry.
Luckily the J was from a timeline variation that had been prevented thus leaving us with hope that in 50 years time once the movies series has destroyed its way up the alphabet we wil have something a bit more....reasonable.
i like what the design was trying to achieve but it looks too over styled.
i like what the design was trying to achieve but it looks too over styled.
