Yawn....we're use to the haters around here. I've seen every "Trek" show there is, and you can try as you like to pigeon hole it, but all the shows were different in some way. Sorry but your post fails.
Enterprise is the Best Trek Ever...
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I enjoyed those too. They were put together well, and it really did get the opposite of what each character was.
It took me sometime to liking Ent, it was one of those series I had to watch it several times before accepting it has a good show and now believe it can hold its own as Trek series. But in all probability it will never be my favourite as I am a ST:TOS fan myself. Ent still in my opinion lacked something to make a great series that would rank with TOS or TNG.
Indeed. I think Minefield and Dead Stop illustrate this neatly. Archer is very colloquial with the stiff Reed in Minefield but when Reed messes up in the next episode he gets chastised.
Of course feeling realistic also has its disadvantages. Characters which feel more fictional like Kirk and Picard are definitely more interesting than Archer.
That depends on what the viewer's tastes, I would say. And tastes can be educated anyway. At first I didn't like Archer that much myself, but as I watched a second and a third time, I learned to appreciate the realism of the character.
I'm rewatching ENT on Amazon now; it's pretty addictive, esp. because I can walk around the house with my eyes glued to my Kindle Fire. (I started laughing during Catwalk because I realized I was watching Archer watching water polo on his PADD -- on my PADD. Same exact device.)
Anyway. I'm finding that episodes I thought I didn't like aren't as bad as I remembered. I DID skip Marauders -- nothing's gonna get me to watch that one again. But, I ended up liking Dawn, which I'd dismissed as a rehash of Enemy Mine, and Precious Cargo, which is actually quite funny.
ENT remains my favorite Trek because it's accessible. The other series (except maybe DS9) used technobabble to get out of situations. ENT used technobabble to get into situations, but then mostly used non-tech solutions to get out of trouble -- negotiation, subterfuge, or (my favorite) the grappler.
I think these are very well-drawn characters -- even the minor ones have distinct voices, flaws and all.
Anyway. I'm finding that episodes I thought I didn't like aren't as bad as I remembered. I DID skip Marauders -- nothing's gonna get me to watch that one again. But, I ended up liking Dawn, which I'd dismissed as a rehash of Enemy Mine, and Precious Cargo, which is actually quite funny.
ENT remains my favorite Trek because it's accessible. The other series (except maybe DS9) used technobabble to get out of situations. ENT used technobabble to get into situations, but then mostly used non-tech solutions to get out of trouble -- negotiation, subterfuge, or (my favorite) the grappler.
I think these are very well-drawn characters -- even the minor ones have distinct voices, flaws and all.
Glad to hear you're still enjoying ENT, bluedana!
I had a similar experience while watching "The Andorian Incident" recently. As I watched, I took notes on what I liked / disliked about it and I used my Samsung Galaxy tablet to do that. It was an eerie, but wonderful sensation to know that I was actually in possession of a device similar to one I see my favorite Trek characters use in their universe. I remember watching them in awe a few years ago as they walked around with their PADDs, doing all kinds of cool stuff without being tied to a desk. And now I have one! Amazing!
Isn't that the greatest feeling? Having the exact piece of technology that you see in Trek?
I had a similar experience while watching "The Andorian Incident" recently. As I watched, I took notes on what I liked / disliked about it and I used my Samsung Galaxy tablet to do that. It was an eerie, but wonderful sensation to know that I was actually in possession of a device similar to one I see my favorite Trek characters use in their universe. I remember watching them in awe a few years ago as they walked around with their PADDs, doing all kinds of cool stuff without being tied to a desk. And now I have one! Amazing!
Possible Contender for One of the Best Trek Series Ever?
Does anybody else agree with me on this? I think that this show in my opinion is one of the top Trek shows. What makes it so great? The acting, it is "realistic", interesting plots, believable captain, etc, etc. Enterprise also to me seems to be more "serious" too. I don't know. I just believe it to be a good show and I think that it often gets overlooked. It kills me that it got cancelled. If they stuck to the formula of 7 seasons like the other modern shows, that would have been fanatastic, however no such luck.
Thoughts?
Does anybody else agree with me on this? I think that this show in my opinion is one of the top Trek shows. What makes it so great? The acting, it is "realistic", interesting plots, believable captain, etc, etc. Enterprise also to me seems to be more "serious" too. I don't know. I just believe it to be a good show and I think that it often gets overlooked. It kills me that it got cancelled. If they stuck to the formula of 7 seasons like the other modern shows, that would have been fanatastic, however no such luck.
Thoughts?
Re: Possible Contender for One of the Best Trek Series Ever?
I've always had great affection for S4, and a pretty decent respect for S3, but, thought S1 and 2 were pretty meh. After a recent rewatch, I've gained a new appreciation for S1 and 2, and a better appreciation for S3.
DS9 is my favorite of the Modern Series, haven't watched TNG since it was airing and seeing the occasional rerun, and missed alot of Voyager in first run, and am now watching it all the way through, so I can't comment on which of the 3 (TNG, ENT, VOY) I like best, behind DS9, but, ENT definitely has a much better chance at second favorite now. I'm a real big fan of Serialized SciFi, so, it's likely comparing ENT to TNG, ENT could come out on top.
I've always had great affection for S4, and a pretty decent respect for S3, but, thought S1 and 2 were pretty meh. After a recent rewatch, I've gained a new appreciation for S1 and 2, and a better appreciation for S3.
DS9 is my favorite of the Modern Series, haven't watched TNG since it was airing and seeing the occasional rerun, and missed alot of Voyager in first run, and am now watching it all the way through, so I can't comment on which of the 3 (TNG, ENT, VOY) I like best, behind DS9, but, ENT definitely has a much better chance at second favorite now. I'm a real big fan of Serialized SciFi, so, it's likely comparing ENT to TNG, ENT could come out on top.
Merging with a similar thread.
Best ever? It was definitely cool. 
I love this video (and everything this vidder does).. it's a great tour of Enterprise. I'm posting it too as a tribute to the late Donna Summer.
Enterprise is fabulous and this is a great refresher of it's fabulousness!
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Enterprise is fabulous and this is a great refresher of it's fabulousness!
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lWddAAhmHs[/yt]
I love every series almost equally, but I would have to admit that Enterprise is the best of them all. When I first started going through all of the series DS9 was the one that initially stood out to me, but the more I watched Enterprise the more I grew to love it, and when it was all over I was very sad. 
I think it has the most interesting and diverse characters. Also, I love seeing a Vulcan back in the First Officer's spot
I think it has the most interesting and diverse characters. Also, I love seeing a Vulcan back in the First Officer's spot
Utter nonsense, not a single word in the first paragraph is true. No Klingons? I guess you missed the show where they returned a Klingon to his home planet, or later on when Archer is tried in a Klingon tribunal? Did you miss those shows?
You didn't understand what he said: he didn't say there were no Klingons, he said they were torn between "being a Trek show" and "not really being a Trek" show.
It's a fair point, though maybe it was overstated.
Enterprise being the best Trek ever is pushing it, to be frank.
The show did have good dialogues, decent acting and top-notch CGI (to be expected, it's the most recent series afterall) but very few ideas to run... which is why they borrowed ideas from previous Trek shows or overextended the Xindi arc so much.
The premise "making a prequel to show how the federation got where it is" can be interesting but they didn't really use that premise much until season 4, so they got cancelled before they could and most of Enterprise is just "a Trek show with different names for technology. Oh, and a lot more time spent shuttling."
Doesn't help that one of the writers said he "didn't like allegorical shows" (it's on Memory Alpha somewhere)... that's what Trek has always been about!
It's a fair point, though maybe it was overstated.
Enterprise being the best Trek ever is pushing it, to be frank.
The show did have good dialogues, decent acting and top-notch CGI (to be expected, it's the most recent series afterall) but very few ideas to run... which is why they borrowed ideas from previous Trek shows or overextended the Xindi arc so much.
The premise "making a prequel to show how the federation got where it is" can be interesting but they didn't really use that premise much until season 4, so they got cancelled before they could and most of Enterprise is just "a Trek show with different names for technology. Oh, and a lot more time spent shuttling."
Doesn't help that one of the writers said he "didn't like allegorical shows" (it's on Memory Alpha somewhere)... that's what Trek has always been about!
ENT had plenty of great ideas in its first two seasons. A minor one was to elaborate on the Prime Directive and how humankind slowly learns that human moral and interspecies ethics are two pair of shoes. The most important one was to use the concept of the Federation not being happy family from Journey to Babel. The slowly developing friendship between Archer and Shran is indicative of how the entire Federation slowly forms out of mistrust.
Ironically the nasty pre-Reformation Vulcans who were partly influenced by Romulus pissed off a lot of fans. So when the show feels too familiar it sucks and when it dares to change some things it sucks as well. Some people can never be satisfied.
Talking about innovating familiar aliens, we have seen the the honour concept of a Klingon lawyer and doctor. After so many Klingon stories it was about time to show non warrior-class Klingons.
About allegorical stories, ENT did not have more or less than any other series before.
Ironically the nasty pre-Reformation Vulcans who were partly influenced by Romulus pissed off a lot of fans. So when the show feels too familiar it sucks and when it dares to change some things it sucks as well. Some people can never be satisfied.
Talking about innovating familiar aliens, we have seen the the honour concept of a Klingon lawyer and doctor. After so many Klingon stories it was about time to show non warrior-class Klingons.
About allegorical stories, ENT did not have more or less than any other series before.
I wished that Enterprise was the best. Still, it was a major conflict with the fans. My feeling, it was not a good time to show the Vulcans were more important then humans. It was not a good time, to fight a new enemey that nobody had a clue who they were. It was not a good time, to deal with Earth being attacked, and being Florida and thought of being a terrorist attack on Earth.
Enterprise would have been very good if it was done before 11 September 2001.
Enterprise would have been very good if it was done before 11 September 2001.
Why not? ENT did after all show a slightly different solution than in the real world .. and above all not from a Picardesque "let's try a diplomatic solution and only then resort to violence" position. It was rather the other way around, Archer was ready to do what is necessary to stop the Xindi but after he came to know them he realized that there is a cooperative solution.
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