Renaissance transvestites? YIKES!
That was actually sort of my point in saying this:
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ENTERPRISE design in the new film? (How many changes?)
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That was actually sort of my point in saying this:
It'll be changed at least as much as the TMP ship.
That's okay if the witness is hostile, as the people on the street would likely become if you stopped them to ask Star Trek questions.
So speaketh the All-Knowing Oracle...
(sheesh)...
Not "I think it will" or "I believe it will" but "It WILL, BECAUSE I COMMANDETH IT???"
Get real... you're saying what you WANT to happen. You have no "inside track" information whatsoever.
That's why I suggested it be done on the street and not in court.
I did purposefully phrase it to plant the suggestion in the subjects' minds that this is the Enterprise. I did that because the upcoming movie will be planting the suggestion that it's showing the Enterprise, no matter how much or little they change it.
My suggestion is that though the Enterprise is iconic world-wide, the vast majority of people will accept anything that's got a circular part and three tubular parts. If the new creative team tries a vast departure from what has been depicted before it will not be the cause of the movie's success or failure.
If the general public (sorry friends, they're the target audience, not us) reacted to major changes the way some of us are claiming they will, Transformers would have bombed instead of merely being ripped apart on blogs and message boards.
Hey guys me again, i kind knew my post would receive good replays and to add from my previous post let make it clear i don't hate or dislike original Enterprise nor am i in some-kind,, competing,, against it. Of course i don't want radical changes nor a ,,sport car,, 
but Orci has stated, "We're not going to start totally from scratch... we want it to feel like it's updated and of the now... and an interview posted 8 March 2007, MTV stated that Kurtzman and Orci had confirmed that this Star Trek would be a "reimagining of the franchise". I happened ed to agree with this as right approach. I like point out changes doesn't have to mean negative or bad thing. If they are recasting entire cast(and Abrams is doing great job at it) why shouldn't they upgrade Enterprise too. Isn't Enterprise Refit changes consider a improvement from the original! Same thing with TNG ships, isn't Enterprise E consider (vast) improvement then bulky Enterprise D! I think it is on both on counts. Yes i know XI movie ,,timeline,, is prior to WNHGB but that doesn't mean that ship or customs is require to look like from 60s TOS.
but Orci has stated, "We're not going to start totally from scratch... we want it to feel like it's updated and of the now... and an interview posted 8 March 2007, MTV stated that Kurtzman and Orci had confirmed that this Star Trek would be a "reimagining of the franchise". I happened ed to agree with this as right approach. I like point out changes doesn't have to mean negative or bad thing. If they are recasting entire cast(and Abrams is doing great job at it) why shouldn't they upgrade Enterprise too. Isn't Enterprise Refit changes consider a improvement from the original! Same thing with TNG ships, isn't Enterprise E consider (vast) improvement then bulky Enterprise D! I think it is on both on counts. Yes i know XI movie ,,timeline,, is prior to WNHGB but that doesn't mean that ship or customs is require to look like from 60s TOS.
Far fewer people would be able to identify those particulars than you estimate, I think. I've been a Trekkie since 1979 and a lot of those details escape me--I could't tell you the number of windows, for example, and I'd have to think abot the intercoolers. Once you eliminate the true fans, I think less than 1 person in 50 could tell you her registry number. The only people who give a care over the old girl are us.
Still, I hope they stick as close to the original as they can, UWC Defiance's assertion up-thread that she'll be changed at least as much as the refit aside. (Considering the retro ad campaign Paramount's already launched, I doubt that is true.) I predict we will get a design which, on first, second and third glance, is our E (why alienate the remaining fans by making changes the GP won't care about?) but which differs in subtle ways and has more detail (aztec more than greeblies, I hope).
There's alot to be said for simplicity. If GR got it right, why mess with perfection ? and at the risk of pissing off the fans. Keeping the universe is part and parcel of canon which he said he'd respect. If there's a transclucent hull and no windows I will be happy.
I'm sure they could tell the difference between the 1701 and Cary's ship. Except maybe if it were shrunken down to the size of an avatar instead of appearing on a movie screen.
In any case, as far as the Transformers goes, the originals were poorly animated cartoons, not physical models such as the 1701, whose design has been clearly shown to hold up well in HD. Making a blocky cartoon character into an actual working machine is one thing. But a good ship design is a good ship design.
The original 1701 has never appeared on the big screen before, and I think it's time it did.
I say keep her the way she is. The Enterprise still looks as good now as she did when Matt Jefferies first created her.
The only thing I might change, however, would be to remove/rework the little boomerang graphics that are on the engineering hull and the nacelles. Pretty 60's.
The only thing I might change, however, would be to remove/rework the little boomerang graphics that are on the engineering hull and the nacelles. Pretty 60's.
wait a minute i cant be reading this right 
OMG this cant be true. C´mon what is next Daedalus class is prettier then NX-01 
Sure, if you presented both of them and asked them to "pick the Enterprise" But that's not the situation they'll be in in the theater seats.
However, our predictions for this hypothetical survey are probably all wrong. I have a feeling that the most frequent response would be more like "Go play with your light saber, Trekkie."
