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ENTERPRISE design in the new film? (How many changes?)

3D Master said:
Mariner Class said:
Brutal Strudel said:

I like it too. I like Gabe's as well (not nearly as much, I must admit). But I like them as fan art. The original is more than just a sweet design (it is--damn near perfect) but it is also iconic and has strong sentimental value to a great many people. I just can't see how a rational cost/benefit analysis which takes that factor into account along with the likelihood that most non-fans won't care one way or the other yields up: "Hey, I got a better idea! Let's sex her up!"

I'm the crazed old-skool fan who would squeal with absolute ecstasy if Vektor's 1701 glided onto the silver screen.



If she's going to be "updated," let a genuine artist take the reins. As was the case with the original.

Ugh, that's ugly! That's exactly what I do NOT want to see. For one thing, the original Enterprise has no blue strips of sequential warp coils - the red tips and white tips at the end, are the space-time sinks, aka warp coils.
Well, to be fair:

1) Vektor put this up as his April Fool's joke... and he intentionally did things that were examples of what everyone has been afraid would happen (TNG-ization of the design, battleship plating, big turret cannon, etc). He just did it so well that many people BELIEVED it. (His work here was intended to copy, and nearly flawlessly did so, the work of John Eaves, the guy who did the 1701-E among others.)

2) The idea that the globes on the original 1701 are "space-time sinks" or whatever isn't supported by anything other than F.J's (non-canonical) work and by a lot of fan-fiction. As far as the original production staff was concerned, the engines were just "big mysterious powerful thingies."

I,personally, agree (at least in part) with your take, however. I've always accepted that the front end was a bussard collector (with some invisible force-field cone projected forward from each nacelle). But I've always believed that the sphere we see off the tail end is a the subspace field generator.

Doesn't matter what you or I believe re: that, however... since (1) none of it is REAL, and (2) no such science exists now, and (3) the production staff on TNG made a concerted effort to promote the idea that it's all based upon a totally different concept (linear coils).

I'll always believe that the original engines were something else. But there's no support for that other than my personal wishes.
 
Just for the record, that's actually Dennis Bailey's (a.k.a. Starship Polaris's) design. All that Skippy did was turn Dennis's Phoenix model into the Enterpise, plus a few minor tweaks here and there.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see something not unlike Dennis's Phoenix on the silver screen next Christmas. She has just about the level of detail and subtle alterations that I would expect for a theatrical Enterprise, but she also looks enough like the original that only us Trekkies will notice the difference.
 
Well the one thing the NCC-1701 has going for it is how iconic it is. Everyone knows it. It reminds me a bit of the Superman suit in Superman Returns. Singer could have reimagined the suit, but the old one was so well known and widely accepted that he didn't really need to mess with it. So even in the year 2006 Superman wears his underpants outside his pants.
 
Cary, I'm pretty easy going with people's starship designs, but that ship you designed in your avatar is just awful! I've seen literally dozens of fan ships that look better as the Titan (and 100s worse).

As for Vektor's ship, I like it, but not AS the movie Enterprise.

RAMA
 
Brutal Strudel said:
We can stop debating. It's more or less settled. The gray lady is fucked:

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8191600&an=0&page=0#Post8191600

That is to say, she's getting the much-needed face lift that will bring her, proud and glorious, into the new millenium!

Back when Macquarrie designed the Enterprise for Planet of the Titans, it wasn't accepted by the crew or fans, but his version is now fairly popular. I'd expect a similar re-interpretation of the ship, but as with MacQuarrie's design, it would keep all the familiar elements. I don't see why a new version couldn't be accepted under those terms.

phaseiistudy2-model1.jpg
 
Ugh. That thing was ugly then and it's ugly now--it may just be the worst take on the Enterprise I've ever seen from a professional. Don't get me wrong, I love MacQuarrie's work for Star Wars but he should never be allowed within a parsec of the Enterprise.
 
Ryan Church will do a fine job.

I didn't care much for either of the study models based on McQuarrie's Enterprise sketches, but the drawings themselves were dynamic and cool (the models really don't represent them very accurately).

I doubt that the new Enterprise will be as radically different from the original as McQuarrie's was.
 
I think it'll look like a thermos bottle with two sticks for the nacelles with tennis balls at each end. Daedaelusprise!
 
From TrekToday:

"the Enterprise has been redesigned but it still recognizable as the USS Enterprise...complete with saucer, hull and two nacelles."

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Unfortunately, this isn't very helpful. Nearly every Starfleet vessel we've ever seen could be described with these words.

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