Enterprise-D vs. Voyager (extenuating circumstances)

[RB_Kandy]

If you have a reference, even a non cannon reference ...

Why would I use something that's non-canon as a reference?

Voyager is closer to the camera than the cube.

No it not, and here's my proof of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDrZohw44ys

The battle between the baby "tactical" cube and Voyager begins at about the two minute mark.

Voyager fires two torpedoes on it's approach. The cube fires three times, first as Voyager approaches, second while it is along side, and third after it passes. The image that you provided a link for is inbetween the second and third firings.

The second firing is from the upper edge and is down onto Voyagers shields. Voyager is along side the cube at this point.

The third firing is as Voyager recedes, striking Voyager's shields from behind. Given Voyagers position inbetween firings two and three is about even with the far face of the cube, the cube isn't even 700 metres square, it's smaller.

It definitely isn't over 3,000 metres.

Other wise, I am going to assume that I am correct

And now you know you're not.

something other than your own personal opinion

Not my opinion, just the facts from the episode, and measurements based on Voyagers width (132 metres).

In that video, at 2:11 is where I took the snap shot. Voyager is parallel with the cube, not in front of it, my bad. But it certainly is not behind the cube.

As for having a non-canon reference, sure, I'd like to see it.
Thus far, you're the only person claiming the class 4 tactical cube is under powered compared to a regular cube.

 

[Finn]

^the video posted by T'Girl supports her comments regarding the length of the tactical cube. The best shot is at 2:09 and 2:10 by looking at the phaser switch, just as it passes the corner of the cube. I'm with her

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Keep in mind that on paper (or pad) a galaxy class might have the edge, but a battle is won by tactics, not strength. I'm not saying that Janeway and the crew of Voyager would beat Picard and the crew of the Enterprise, I'm just saying that technology is meant to give your side an edge, not a definite victory. Combat is about pitting your strengths against your enemy's weaknesses, while minimizing the exposure of your weaknesses or allowing your enemy to use their strengths.

So basically Voyager is screwed.

Figured that was how it was going to end.

 

[JoeZhang]

Picard got his crew back from The Triangulum Galaxy in 45 minutes, it took Janeway seven years to cover far less distance - what more needs to be said?

Voyager would be space-dust after a 15 minute section in the middle where Will performs 'The Riker manoeuvre' on Seven while Chatoky stands in the corner and has a face similar to a man having a prostate exam.

 

[Finn]

^No, Picard didn't. The Traveler did....

 

[JoeZhang]

^No, Picard didn't. The Traveler did....

WHOOOOOOOOSH!

 

[Gary7]

Voyager has "transphasic warp" (or whatever the correct term is). The Enterprise would be in fruitless pursuit, taking hit after hit of aft torpedo launches from Voyager.

Remember, we've seen the Enterprise trounced by Romulan and/or Klingon warships. We've seen both brought to near destruction by more powerful ships from other alien races. There's no tightly cohesive specification mapped out for how powerful each of these ships are. It all rests upon the story, in each series. As such, it could be written either way with Voyager or Enterprise winning... it all depends upon the context.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

^No, Picard didn't. The Traveler did....

So basically Picard got the alien that sent his ship to another galaxy to send them home while Janeway couldn't in her situation.

Picard 1, Janeway 0

Remember, we've seen the Enterprise trounced by Romulan and/or Klingon warships. We've seen both brought to near destruction by more powerful ships from other alien races. There's no tightly cohesive specification mapped out for how powerful each of these ships are. It all rests upon the story, in each series. As such, it could be written either way with Voyager or Enterprise winning... it all depends upon the context.

Seeing as TNG is more popular than VOY I would fully expect the writers to have The Enterprise-D win after all being the big guns of the 24th century has its advantages.

 

[Finn]

^No, Picard didn't. The Traveler did....

So basically Picard got the alien that sent his ship to another galaxy to send them home while Janeway couldn't in her situation.

Picard 1, Janeway 0

Because the traveler didn't drop in to see Janeway. Besides, traveler had the ability to warp space, so it has nothing to do with the Enterprise D's ability to travel. That's my point. It would be meaningless in a situation where the E-D and Voyager faced off together.

 

[T'Girl]

Voyager has "transphasic warp" (or whatever the correct term is).

Wasn't that basically a fictional device that the Doctor just "made-up" while have a conversation with Chakotay?

Because the traveler didn't drop in to see Janeway.

No, but Q did "drop in," and at one point was offering to send Voyager home.

Besides, traveler had the ability to warp space, so it has nothing to do with the Enterprise D's ability to travel. That's my point. It would be meaningless in a situation where the E-D and Voyager faced off together.

Sometimes it isn't the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog.

The Enterprise's commander saw an opportunity to save their crew, and was willing to exploit it, Voyager's commander wasn't.

IMPROVISE - OVERCOME - ADAPT

 

[MacLeod]

^No, Picard didn't. The Traveler did....

So basically Picard got the alien that sent his ship to another galaxy to send them home while Janeway couldn't in her situation.

Picard 1, Janeway 0

Because the traveler didn't drop in to see Janeway. Besides, traveler had the ability to warp space, so it has nothing to do with the Enterprise D's ability to travel. That's my point. It would be meaningless in a situation where the E-D and Voyager faced off together.

The alien in VOY was the caretaker, I think what he meant when faced with a situation in which an alien transported the ship across the galaxy/galaxies. Picard was able tp get the traveller to return them home, whilst Janeway was unable to do the same task with the caretaker.

Yes and I know the situations had other diffeences

 

[T'Girl]

... whilst Janeway was unable to do the same task with the caretaker.

Janeway was unwilling to even try. She refused to look into the possibility of employing the Caretaker array to send the Voyager on a return trip. If it looked like Janeway were about to lose the array to the Kazon, she always could have destroyed the array at that time.

She wouldn't even attempt an investigation.

Picard would have done more, and with the Enterprise Dee to back him up would have a increased chance of learning the array's secrets. The saucer could have been parked next to the array, while the drive section flew a defensive patrol.

The Enterprise would have had Data and LaForge to examine the array. Janeway had no Chief Engineer at that time, and the head scientist was apparently Ensign Wildman. Janeway couldn't have spared herself for the actual examination, her place was on the bridge.

 

[Vito Corleone]

I'm going to have to side with the Enterprise here. She has more firepower and can separate into two different vessels, giving poor Voyager two enemies instead of one. All things being equal, Voyager has no chance.

 

[Sci]

Now Voyager takes on a Borg Tactical cube, you know, a borg cube amped up to the inth degree. And single handedly cripples the cube.

I'm afraid you are mis-remembering "Unimatrix Zero." In "Part I," Voyager gets her ass handed to her by Tactical Cube 138 and only survives by warping away -- which was fine, since the plan was to take some damage and then warp out as a distraction for the team from the Delta Flyer beaming aboard. But they certainly didn't win that battle. In "Part II," Voyager fares a little better against 138, as she's aided by a Borg sphere that's been hijacked by liberated drones from Unimatrix Zero, but she still only survives because the Borg Queen initiates a self-destruct sequence for Tactical Cube 138 as an attempt to kill Janeway while she's aboard.

ETA:

Buzzer -- the guy from the 20th century said that the Enterprise wasn't as efficient run as a luxury cruise ship he was once aboard.

To be even more specific, Mister Offenhouse compares the Enterprise-D unfavorably to the RMS Queen Elizabeth 2, which was an ocean liner rather than a cruise liner. (Ocean liners are built tougher to withstand constant travel on high seas running regular trans-oceanic routes; cruise ships aren't as tough, and are built for shallower and less harrowing waters, for cruises rather than regular trans-oceanic routes. Think the difference between a pick-up truck and a luxury car.)

 

[mtblillie]

I'm going to have to side with the Enterprise here. She has more firepower and can separate into two different vessels, giving poor Voyager two enemies instead of one. All things being equal, Voyager has no chance.

According to memory alpha, firepower is comparable between the two vessels. Furthermore the Intrepid class seems to be faster and possibly more maneuverable. Lastly the Galaxy class separating into two vessels isn't necessarily a prime tactical decision since the saucer has no warp propulsion and limited weapons systems. As I understand it the Intrepid also has a better sensor system than most other vessels, although it is not proven if it is better than the galaxy class. My guess is that in all out battle between the two ships, the power generation of the Galaxy may produce enough output to eventually overtake the Intrepid, while the Intrepid would probebly be more effective in Sweeping or Hit and Run attacks...again just my opinion.

 

[MacLeod]

You know I suspect that a Galaxy Class vessel that was consturcted in 2371 and an Intrpeid Class that was constructed in 2371 would have identical sensors.

 

[Gary7]

Voyager has "transphasic warp" (or whatever the correct term is).

Wasn't that basically a fictional device that the Doctor just "made-up" while have a conversation with Chakotay?

My memory of Voyager episode details is admittedly sparse, as it wasn't my favorite series of the franchise. It wasn't transphasic warp, but quantum slipstream drive. This was technology gained from Arturis in "Hope and Fear".

 

[mtblillie]

You know I suspect that a Galaxy Class vessel that was consturcted in 2371 and an Intrpeid Class that was constructed in 2371 would have identical sensors.

Theoretically, though not necessarily. And we are not speaking of any Galaxy class, we are speaking of the Enterprise.

Personally I choose the Enterprise, but honestly I cannot come up with a specific reason why.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Voyager has "transphasic warp" (or whatever the correct term is).

Wasn't that basically a fictional device that the Doctor just "made-up" while have a conversation with Chakotay?

My memory of Voyager episode details is admittedly sparse, as it wasn't my favorite series of the franchise. It wasn't transphasic warp, but quantum slipstream drive. This was technology gained from Arturis in "Hope and Fear".

And they weren't able to get it to work so the scraped it.

You know I suspect that a Galaxy Class vessel that was consturcted in 2371 and an Intrpeid Class that was constructed in 2371 would have identical sensors.

Theoretically, though not necessarily. And we are not speaking of any Galaxy class, we are speaking of the Enterprise.

And seeing as its the flagship they would probably have their sensors upgraded. They don't just build the ship and keep its tech the same despite advances in technology.

Personally I choose the Enterprise, but honestly I cannot come up with a specific reason why.

Probably because its the fracking Enterprise.

 

[mtblillie]

Probably because its the fracking Enterprise.