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Enterprise D saucer recovery

Someone made an interesting comment on the YouTube video:

As I sat and thought about this for a few minutes the possibilities unfolded gently, beautifully, piece by piece. For a two-minute clip the density of ideas here is as stunning as the visuals, and the mournful score. You suddenly realise its tantalising parallels - the symmetry between two friends, each having been, at different moments in time, alone, mourning the death of the other. The destruction of Enterprise D associated with the death of Kirk, somehow triggering a vision of the loss of the original 1701 after the death of Spock. The momentary seeming psychic link between his older and younger selves, and the perception of two ship losses neither of which he actually witnessed, is fascinating. Then you recall the title "Resurrection" - initially that was only about Spock's rebirth in ST III. Then you remember The Return, and then you remember the revelation in Picard season 3 at Daystrom Station, and realise it's pointing to that possibility, too. By now the ideas are tumbling over themselves in my head - my mind is racing as to whether Spock could/would do the same for Kirk as Kirk did for him, continuing to fulfil this mysterious symmetry that somehow exists across space and time between these two friends. Would it be his past self who acts? The one who just received a vision of the future? Did old Spock communicate to him in that moment the knowledge of having met Picard, and how might this inform younger Spock's action? Then you remember the end of ST III: "You came back for me... why would you do this?" and Kirk's reply "You would've done the same for me." Literal shivers. Tears. I can't believe how clever and elegant and dense this short film is - it set my imagination racing, and made me very happy. Thank you so much to everyone involved in creating it such an ingenious and loving tribute - one of the most delightful, perfect additions to the Trek universe and my personal head canon I've ever seen.

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More information on these earlier projects, including the Spock prosthetcis:
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Both videos explore ideas and concepts coming from the unfilmed history of Star Trek and Gene’s other works – including Gene’s 1970’s ideas for Star Trek: Planet of the Titans, Star Trek: Phase II and the larger literary universe that followed Gene’s Roddenberry’s first and only Star Trek novelization of the 1979 Star Trek: The Motion Picture, including novels and materials from Pocket, IDW and others that expanded the story of Colt and other Cage characters.
 
Someone made an interesting comment on the YouTube video:



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Yeoman Colt is back! Love it.
 
I love this video so much. I always thought the saucer was either chopped up into bits and thrown in a garbage dump or at worst it had been left there to rot and maybe it would turn up in a mission in Online or something (I could visualise some first person shooter type thing where you're moving through corridors in the wrecked saucer while the forest has started to grow back through the ship). This is much nicer. Having it tie into "The Return" is pretty wild, as long as the Romulans don't start raining down disruptors and the Farragut starts getting wrecked. At the end I kinda was expecting a transporter beam and then the grave to crumble.
 
Its really an accomplishment of what they did... though my main problem with this is that the tugs look nothing like UFP designs, and they use CABLES (as opposed to tractor beams).
Its like the VFX team knows little to nothing about Trek - hence where inconsistencies arise most likely.

Now, tractor beams are FAR superior to cables because they can be projected over a larger surface area of a vessel (which distributes the stress induced on the hull), and they can also project a low level subspace field and forcefield to the tractored object (reducing its inertial mass which would make it infinitely lighter to move and preserving structural integrity).

So, my main issue with this is: 'why wouldn't SF just send 1 Nebula and 1 Excelsior class starships... or just 2 Intrepids to tractor the saucer right off the surface of Veridian III and and Warp it to the Fleet Museum?

But yeah, I definitely agree the VFX dept. made it look like SW ships were doing the lifting... and WHY the extra installations around the saucer?
That just seems... unnecessary.

Its one thing if SF wants to tidy up the saucer's crash trail, but again, for this, there are likely easier and faster methods (such as beaming piles of rubble to cover up the crash tail).

One, we rarely have seen non-Federation, non-Starfleet vessels, so you can't really say that these ships are "SW ships". I seriously doubt that there is a "standard" design for civilian ships, especially the construction type.

Two, we're looking at a salvage operation. For all we know, those "cables" aren't really cables, but could be used to patch/fill-up/etc. the ship in preparation for lift off. Because, you're right; it wouldn't make sense to use cables to lift the ship, in an age where tractor beams are the norm.

FYI.
 
Presumably because they were not interested in using Colt at all. Which is fair -- she's not so much an interesting character as she is a straight male power fantasy (the hot young girl fresh out of college with a crush on the boss).

Which is silly and reductive.

A decent writer could easily flesh out Colt's characterization: starts out as a fresh out-of-the-Academy officer, with a crush on Captain Pike. Five years later, you get a seasoned Colt, having had her share of experiences out in "deep space", while learning that, at the end of the day, Pike is just as human as everyone else, and thus comes to admire and respect her captain as such.

Just saying.
 
Presumably because they were not interested in using Colt at all. Which is fair -- she's not so much an interesting character as she is a straight male power fantasy (the hot young girl fresh out of college with a crush on the boss).

Which is silly and reductive.

No, it's not. It's an accurate assessment of Colt's role in "The Cage." She is there to be a straight male power fantasy of the hot young thang that's got a crush on the boss. She has no hidden depths, no real personality to speak of, no complications or nuance.

A decent writer could easily flesh out Colt's characterization: starts out as a fresh out-of-the-Academy officer, with a crush on Captain Pike. Five years later, you get a seasoned Colt, having had her share of experiences out in "deep space", while learning that, at the end of the day, Pike is just as human as everyone else, and thus comes to admire and respect her captain as such.

Just saying.

Sure. But why do that if you're not particularly interested in the "young-person-with-a-crush-on-the-captain" angle in the first place? Why keep Colt when you can, for instance, flesh out another young person fresh out of the Academy by the name of Nyota Uhura?
 
I wonder if the ships above Enterprise are supplying power to the salvage operation? Instead of tractor beams, it be more useful to get the ships' power and structural integrity field working enough to move itself, with assistance, into orbit, and then have enough of a field to allow other starships to tow it into warp.
 
One, we rarely have seen non-Federation, non-Starfleet vessels, so you can't really say that these ships are "SW ships". I seriously doubt that there is a "standard" design for civilian ships, especially the construction type.

Two, we're looking at a salvage operation. For all we know, those "cables" aren't really cables, but could be used to patch/fill-up/etc. the ship in preparation for lift off. Because, you're right; it wouldn't make sense to use cables to lift the ship, in an age where tractor beams are the norm.

FYI.
They remind me of the Baxial a bit.
They're pumping helium into the dish to make it float :D
A D-rigible! :D
 
I wonder if the ships above Enterprise are supplying power to the salvage operation? Instead of tractor beams, it be more useful to get the ships' power and structural integrity field working enough to move itself, with assistance, into orbit, and then have enough of a field to allow other starships to tow it into warp.

Yep! They are supplying power - they were definitely not intended to be "tug" ships. We deliberately made it so the cables have no tension in them to try to convey that distinction.
 
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