I thought E looked decent in First Contact, but less so in the subsequent films. There are some shots in which it looks flat from the top, IMO, perhaps because if was more CG that before.
Enterprise D or E
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I thought E looked decent in First Contact, but less so in the subsequent films. There are some shots in which it looks flat from the top, IMO, perhaps because if was more CG that before.
E all the way for me, apart from being simply more badass, I thought they tried to capture elements of the Refit TMP/1701-A design with the pylons and nacelles - I like that it was long, sleek and graceful whereas the D for me looked too stumpy from some angles and I never really liked the design massively (but didn't hate it either)
Basically this. I picked the D because I would rather stay there during their runs.
Those images are brilliant, would have been great in First Contact & would have been awesome watching the Borg trying to take over the D!!!
I totally agree with this.
Even though the D did grow on me and I did eventually love it. I've always thought that it should have been slightly modified. The primary hull was way too elliptical and photographed badly from some angles. The warp nacelles were way too short, and made the ship look out of balance. And the worst offender was that the connecting dorsal narrowed down way too sharply. Some well-placed weapons fire could literally cut the ship in two. Which Khan almost did in TWOK. The Soversign class and the Intrepid class finally do away with this design weakness.
Not the biggest fan of the E, though I recognize what they were going for. To me though, it seems like a byproduct of 90s "cutting edge," which would kind of date it a bit. Also, the bridge seems more Cardassian than Federation to me, with the mix of dark colors and sharp angles.
Change up the interior colors of the D and use the bridge from Generations and that'll be my pick.
Change up the interior colors of the D and use the bridge from Generations and that'll be my pick.
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This in a nutshell.
While fanon may insist that the Enterprise-E was designed more for combat more than the Enterprise-D, there was really no difference in regard to both being hero ships capable of doing whatever was demanded of them.
Don't forget that the Enterprise-E could also be controlled by a retractable, floor-mounted old-fashioned joystick in the event the commanding officer wants to fly the ship manually (and more importantly, look cool doing it).
Arguably the best-developed ship in Trek, the D had tons of character. The E, featured in 6 hours of Trek (4 of which weren't very good) never grew on me.
That's debatable.
Put a 2-liter of Mountain Dew in the picture and he'd look like a fat kid who stayed up all night playing video games.
Granted while Enterprise-E looks like a more modern interpretation of Probert's TMP Enterprise refit (My all time favorite incarnation of the Enterprise) than Enterprise-D, if I had to choose between the two, it is the E-D for me. Especially All Good Things refit Enterprise-D.
Don't forget that the Enterprise-E could also be controlled by a retractable, floor-mounted old-fashioned joystick in the event the commanding officer wants to fly the ship manually (and more importantly, look cool doing it).
On the commentary for INS given by Frakes and Sirtis. Frakes says that the joystick controller for the Enterprise was added by Rick Berman. He thought it would be something that would appeal to the gamer crowd. Why the fuck did no one challenge him or say that idea was stupid?
D is by far my favorite of the two, though I think E fits better with the Starfleet design lineage.
Wow, those are amazing.
The exterior shots in particular look completely legit.
Speaking of a Galaxy Class 1701-E, John Goodson over at ILM apparently thought this was a real possibility, and changed the registry on the model before packing it up after Generations was done:
What could have been...
Wow, those are amazing.
The exterior shots in particular look completely legit.Speaking of a Galaxy Class 1701-E, John Goodson over at ILM apparently thought this was a real possibility, and changed the registry on the model before packing it up after Generations was done:
What could have been...
The Enterprise E is fine, but it never really captured me the way the D did. Maybe that was an indication of when I saw both ships. So there is probably some nostalgia involved here, especially since I think most of the TNG movies are unwatchable.
But the E always looked really small to me. I think because the nacelles are really really big. I think they were over correcting for the small looking nacelles on the D (although nacelle size isn't really necessary proportional to warp speed for all we know). Because the nacelles are so long, every time I see the E it looks like it's roughly the length of Voyager, not longer than the D. I was also not a fan of how militaristic it looked. Personally I think the ship would have been fantastic if the saucer section had been maybe 10% bigger and if they had toned down the rather jarring predatory design just a smidge. For me the Constitution Refit will always be the perfect mix of realism, design and strength.
I always thought it didn't make sense to go in the direction they were going anyway with the smaller ship sizes. Sure there would be a lot of specialized ships with small crews, but for the deep space explorers where it would be inefficient to go back to the starbase very often, a larger ship with a bigger population would be much more ideal. And it's not like Starfleet would be really hurting for personnel when you consider how huge the Federation actually is. After all both Picard and Wesley were rejected from Starfleet initially. If they can afford to do that, you would think there would be more than enough demand for places on a starship to justify a slightly larger size for longer voyages.
I hated the interior of the E, though. The bridge is my least favorite of all the bridges across all the shows. It has all of my pet peeves in droves; tons of stairs for absolutely no reason, no clear geography, and a huge system monitor in the back for decoration clearly visible to anyone who decides to give them a call. Also the command chairs always looked awkwardly out of place, but I can't put my finger on why.
But the E always looked really small to me. I think because the nacelles are really really big. I think they were over correcting for the small looking nacelles on the D (although nacelle size isn't really necessary proportional to warp speed for all we know). Because the nacelles are so long, every time I see the E it looks like it's roughly the length of Voyager, not longer than the D. I was also not a fan of how militaristic it looked. Personally I think the ship would have been fantastic if the saucer section had been maybe 10% bigger and if they had toned down the rather jarring predatory design just a smidge. For me the Constitution Refit will always be the perfect mix of realism, design and strength.
I always thought it didn't make sense to go in the direction they were going anyway with the smaller ship sizes. Sure there would be a lot of specialized ships with small crews, but for the deep space explorers where it would be inefficient to go back to the starbase very often, a larger ship with a bigger population would be much more ideal. And it's not like Starfleet would be really hurting for personnel when you consider how huge the Federation actually is. After all both Picard and Wesley were rejected from Starfleet initially. If they can afford to do that, you would think there would be more than enough demand for places on a starship to justify a slightly larger size for longer voyages.
I hated the interior of the E, though. The bridge is my least favorite of all the bridges across all the shows. It has all of my pet peeves in droves; tons of stairs for absolutely no reason, no clear geography, and a huge system monitor in the back for decoration clearly visible to anyone who decides to give them a call. Also the command chairs always looked awkwardly out of place, but I can't put my finger on why.
It was a partial job, actually (it still read NCC-1701-D on the back half of the ship).D is by far my favorite of the two, though I think E fits better with the Starfleet design lineage.
Wow, those are amazing.
Speaking of a Galaxy Class 1701-E, John Goodson over at ILM apparently thought this was a real possibility, and changed the registry on the model before packing it up after Generations was done:
What could have been...
The D is my second favorite Enterprise, after the pre-refit 1701 of the original series, with the TMP refit in third place.
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