I agree that Picard was a great captain. But there's a difference between professional detachment and just plain aloof. I mean, it took him seven years to join his senior officers for poker night. Picard would be the perfect captain if he just relaxed a little more and smiled more often. I know, if I was on a ship, I would want to know that my captain was an actual person, not some higher power.Kind of like when Janeway decided to go to the crew's birthday parties and holodeck get togethers and really interacted with her crew. Maybe thats just me though.
Enterprise-D as a workplace
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^I wonder if she would have done that if they hadn't been stranded in the Delta Quadrant though. The crew had to make the most of celebrations.
There's a course at the academy that advises captains to keep their distance from the crew.
There's a course at the academy that advises captains to keep their distance from the crew.
Kirk made it a moot point.
I don't think the harmony on the Ent-D is too unrealistic. Especially if we consider that the harmony of the characters was parallel to the harmony of the actors. Nobody there is working a job, in that future there are no jobs, no wage slaves, which is a big corrosive in modern life. Most of the people are there because it's exactly where their passion is, which makes a huge difference.
Kegek Kringle said:
Bluntly?
There aren't any cons. Who the hell wouldn't love to work in that pristine, hotel-like, 80s Pollyanna Paradise where everybody's your friend, there's a replicator in your room and a holodeck down the Hallway?
TNG isn't bland. TNG is optimism and hope. TNG is utopia. TNG is dreams of worlds never lived. TNG is being five years old and watching a beautiful grey ship course across the TV screen as a grave English voice narrates.
I like TNG.
That's basically just what I would have said. Ditto. All that luxury, and tan leather, and wood trim? Bright, comfy, lighting? Couches and potted plants and paintings in the corridor junctions? Paradise.
one of my main problems with TNG was that everything was so damn perfect. There was never any conflict. I mean, potted plants on a starship? 
I loved Picard and some of the other characters but something about that perfect ship gave me a sugar overload everytime I looked at it, it was so sweet. Eventually I just wanted to bang my head against the bulkhead and maybe dislodge one of the perfect pictures that adorned the hallways. 
I loved Picard and some of the other characters but something about that perfect ship gave me a sugar overload everytime I looked at it, it was so sweet. Eventually I just wanted to bang my head against the bulkhead and maybe dislodge one of the perfect pictures that adorned the hallways. 
Never? Not ever, not even in the slightest wee bit? Are you sure of that?
Well, sure. You can see how being surrounded by actual living things would make people miserable. This is why any decent modern home makes sure to crush any sort of plant life out of the environment.I mean, potted plants on a starship?
"Workplace?" That's entirely the wrong dynamic - not that the idiot Berman knew that.
It's a MILITARY SHIP. Military life is nothing like working in a fucking office.
It's a MILITARY SHIP. Military life is nothing like working in a fucking office.
Utopia is boring. It eviscerates man's soul and castrates his spirit. You may want "a soulless society, [where] all is indeed peace and tranquility -- the peace of the factory, the tranquility of the machine," but not I.
"Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through - struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of lutes. We must march to the sound of drums."
God I miss TOS.
The person chiefly for setting the dynamic into place was the vaunted "Great Bird of the Galaxy" Berman's mistake was maintaining that dynamic.
You're right the Enterprise, each and every one of them has been a military ship - GR just forget that when he gave us the D and it shows all over the place.
Sharr
It's a military ship run like an office. It's neither detrimental to the well-being of the people working there nor to the operation of the ship. It's also an entirely reasonable extrapolation for this culture and setting.
A military dynamic is just as, if not more, dehumanizing and soulless as an office setting. Cogs in a machine, indeed.
A military dynamic is just as, if not more, dehumanizing and soulless as an office setting. Cogs in a machine, indeed.
The military runs plenty of offices. They've got holiday decorations, motivational posters, junk food stashes, cube farms, broken networks, the occasional kid or pet, all the usual office stuff. Reports are made by people who can barely type, they are copied and filed, and when the work is done the workers spend the rest of their time joking around until told they can go home. Offices are pretty much the same wherever.
Let's not overdo the "military ship" thing...this is a place where people were expected to live with their families for years, hence the amenities. It was a mobile space habitat that partly served a military function.
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