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Enlist in Starfleet

Whoa! Thank you! Thank you very MUCH!

You're welcome.

God this is sad, in the extreme. Arguing over the most insignificant of minutae yet again. Wait a moment, I'll put on my enraged face..

.. My god, how dare they!! Think of the children. And THE WOMEN!


ffs, :rolleyes: etc..

And one for you...

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Why, thankyou.
 
There's nothing better or more understandable about the word "enlist" over "enroll".

Maybe they screwed up, or maybe Pike doesn't think Kirk's officer material and is challenging him to become a swabby.

An Awesome swabby.
 
There's nothing better or more understandable about the word "enlist" over "enroll".

Correct. I don't quite understand why "enlist" promotes the idea of action, making it a better word to use than "enroll." Enroll has an important meaning, too. Everyone tends to know military academies are prestigious. Not just anybody gets in. If Pike thinks Kirk is worthy of enrolling, it means something.

To that end, like I posted above, what Pike says is, "Enlist in Starfleet," which would be the same as telling someone today to enlist in the army.
No one can just enroll at an academy, either. They need prior acceptance.
We know Pike wants Kirk to go to the Academy, too. So, as has been alluded to in above posts, maybe enlisting and then applying as an enlisted person is the only way Kirk can get into the academy, now.

Man, it's funny how this little bit has taken on a life of its own. But it isn't just semantics. I don't think too many West Point graduates would be happy with people asking them when they enlisted in the military. And, Pike would certainly know the difference.

I guess we'll wait and see how the phrase works in Pike's overall conversation with Kirk. Which means we can't boycott the movie over this. We have to go to make sure it's not done wrong. Then, if it is wrong, we can get up and walk out with all the others who have either yelled, "Rape," at the screen and are sobbing as they leave, or those who walk out mumbling about wrong-sized nacelles, or those who had it ruined for them because Urban's hair is parted on the wrong side, or the folks who are just upset that registry numbers can begin with zero. ;)
 
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45+ years from now, fans will still be arguing about what Pike truly meant by Kirk enlisting in Starfleet.

Anew it has begun...
 
From a writer stand-point, "enlist in Starfleet" sounds much stronger than "enroll in Starfleet Academy."
Wimps enroll... real men enlist!

Ha! But seriously, if you say it aloud, you get the strong "T" throughout the statement, "enlist in Starfleet," which is stronger to the ears. Whereas, "enroll in Starfleet Academy" sounds weaker and flat to the ears. True there is a semantic difference, but the jest is the same.
 
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I just saw the March trailer and I noticed that when Pike is talking to Kirk he tells him to enlist in Starfleet. I thought that enlisting is what Crewman and NCO's do and Officers enrol as Cadets or can enlisting be used for Cadets as well?

One enlists into military service.

One enrols into academic courses.

So enlisting in Starfleet is correct.

Afterall, you don't enrol into the Navy do you?

Cheers

photon70
 
A person can both enlist and enroll...One could can enroll in the Academy and later enlist in Starfleet.

For example, an officer candidate who leaves West Point Army Academy can ENLIST in the army as a Lieutenant in the U.S. Army (and -- yes -- the correct word is "enlist" even though we are talking about an officer.)
 
They'd better not split any damned infinitives anywhere in the script, otherwise Paramount will be receiving a 46 page letter of complaint (already written just in case).
 
A person can both enlist and enroll...One could can enroll in the Academy and later enlist in Starfleet.

For example, an officer candidate who leaves West Point Army Academy can ENLIST in the army as a Lieutenant in the U.S. Army (and -- yes -- the correct word is "enlist" even though we are talking about an officer.)
Exactly.
 
From Memory Alpha:

The enlisted ranks above that of crewman were not commissioned officer ranks. To distinguish them from commissioned officer ranks, the term 'non-commissioned officer' was used. All enlisted personnel were subordinate to commissioned officers in the chain of command.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet

The Academy has a separate and specific program for the training of enlisted crewpeople.

Admission into Starfleet Academy begins with the acceptance of the candidate's application... Once the former candidate is accepted, they may enroll in Academy courses.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_Academy

Apparently you enlist in Starfleet and enroll in Starfleet Academy.

From Memory Alpha:

2250: (Kirk) Enters Starfleet Academy as a cadet (conjecture)

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/James_T._Kirk

The point is there is nothing to argue about. Maybe he enlisted, maybe he enrolled. Trek canon doesn't say. So what they come up with in the movie works either way. Just go with it.

Does anybody read my posts?
 
^ HA! You actually think people stop arguing, debating and/or ranting long enough to read?! The audacity!!
 
^ HA! You actually think people stop arguing long enough to read?! The audacity!!

What was I thinking?!
This is Star Trek we are talking about. TrekBBS will debate this for the next 40+ years. Volumes will be written regarding this subject... Ultimatums and edicts will be published. The lines are being drawn. You are either pro-enlist or pro-enroll... CHOOSE NOW!:guffaw:
 
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