Endgame

[Guy Gardener]

I didn't say brainwashing. That's the tool used by a totalitarian regime to force obedience, and very much a blunt instrument.

Janeway's tactics seem more charisma based. People aren't forced to follow her by chemicals, mind control, propaganda, or indoctrination. They follow her because they just plain think she's awesome.

The Justice League brainwashed and castrated their enemies.

When Batman found out, they brain washed him to mind his own damn business.

Is Janeway too good for the Justice League?

The Doctor's Job is to keep the crew sane.

Maybe he edits their memories?

Why would the Hirogen have flawless brainwashing tech if they didn't have holography tech to stick their prey into simulated environments?

That brainwashing tech was the Doctor's tech all along.

How the hell do you play out a "classic" holonovel, if you don't have a basic understanding of the original text?

They must load a glimmer of understanding into your hind brain, so you can keep up with the story.

Or its like the last season of Roseanne, where it all turned out to be a novel she was writing in her basement after Dan died.

Janways Logs are double plus good facts.

 

[Oddish]

Yup. Like in the episode were her and Chakotay have to stay on a planet and Tuvok takes command. Everyone is downright grief-stricken that Janeway had to be left behind. To the point that Harry Kim actually speaks up and is irritable with Tuvok for following her orders to leave them behind.

And Chakotay was an afterthought, even among the Maquis.

Harry's misbehavior in that episode has sometimes been cited as a reason for his endless ensignhood. But, given that Harry only wanted to disobey Janeway's orders while Tuvok actually disobeyed them (and was promoted a year later), another easily debunked rationale.

The Justice League brainwashed and castrated their enemies.

I considered bringing back Superman after his tear jerking heroic end to be the ultimate insult. When "Justice League" repeated that action, I lost interest in it.

That and Lex Luther's hair. The Supermax guards HUMILIATED him by shaving his head. So what does he do? He CHOOSES to stay bald. That's like being given a swirly in high school, and then choosing to dip your head in the toilet every day afterward.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's a provision against lice?

If there's lice, and there probably is, keeping just the lice they have and not bring in new lice, is probably in the rule books. Although this seems like a very 1920s solution.

If a guard was torturing him with a hair cut... Well, that's very low level torture, and you only keep your job after unsanctioned torture, if you don't leave evidence.

Who seriously has a bag of lemons just laying about, every time you want to teach someone a lesson about respect?

A grocer.

 

[Oddish]

A 20-second buzzcut and a 2-minute shower would do that job just as well. The only reason for spending however long it takes to carefully shave the prisoner bald is to HUMILIATE him.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Yup. Like in the episode were her and Chakotay have to stay on a planet and Tuvok takes command. Everyone is downright grief-stricken that Janeway had to be left behind. To the point that Harry Kim actually speaks up and is irritable with Tuvok for following her orders to leave them behind.

And poor Tuvok is goaded by the stupid crowd to go into a trap where they could have all died for nothing. If not for the doctor's girlfriend they would never have gotten the cure.

 

[Oddish]

To Tuvok's credit, though, he made sure they were ready to deal with the Vidiians if they turned nasty. That antimatter bomb that B'Elanna used to smack them down was probably pre-prepared.

Even if the Doctor's ex had not been present to give them the serum, the Vidiians would have gone home without any body parts and resolved not to mess with Voyager again. And Captain Tuvok would have ably led the ship afterward; maybe he would have even put on the correct uniform. Harry, having learned that maybe Vulcan logic makes more sense than he thought, would have transferred his admiration to his new captain, and been a LCDR and first officer by the time Voyager got home (after Tom got himself brigged, we both know it would have happened; Tuvok SO would not have put up with his crap). And Janeway and Chakotay and their descendants would have been found sometime in the 25th century, living happily on New Earth, sort of like Swiss Family Robinson in space.

 

[Swedish Borg]

To Tuvok's credit, though, he made sure they were ready to deal with the Vidiians if they turned nasty. That antimatter bomb that B'Elanna used to smack them down was probably pre-prepared.

Even if the Doctor's ex had not been present to give them the serum, the Vidiians would have gone home without any body parts and resolved not to mess with Voyager again. And Captain Tuvok would have ably led the ship afterward; maybe he would have even put on the correct uniform. Harry, having learned that maybe Vulcan logic makes more sense than he thought, would have transferred his admiration to his new captain, and been a LCDR and first officer by the time Voyager got home (after Tom got himself brigged, we both know it would have happened; Tuvok SO would not have put up with his crap). And Janeway and Chakotay and their descendants would have been found sometime in the 25th century, living happily on New Earth, sort of like Swiss Family Robinson in space.

For all, we know Janeway with her relentless search for a cure would have come up with something that would have turned them into lizards.

 

[Oddish]

For all, we know Janeway with her relentless search for a cure would have come up with something that would have turned them into lizards.

Or orange furred monkeys.