ReadyAndWilling
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wow, nice trolling job there
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i'm not even sure if this guy is a ST fan. i checked his posting history and he just hangs around the misc. section posting unrelated stuff.
Endgame
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wow, nice trolling job there
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i'm not even sure if this guy is a ST fan. i checked his posting history and he just hangs around the misc. section posting unrelated stuff.
Shh, quiet sweety.
The word "fanatic" shouldn't really be relegated to leaning just in the one direction to it's ultimate conclusion form either unloading a full clip into alternating eyesockets to dry humping in the summer rain.
It's a sliding scale.
I myself am fanatical about Voyager but my fanatical feelings are diverse, and I am sure that a similar degree of internal struggle can be found with most people who take the time to watch every episode over 40 times.
The word "fanatic" shouldn't really be relegated to leaning just in the one direction to it's ultimate conclusion form either unloading a full clip into alternating eyesockets to dry humping in the summer rain.
It's a sliding scale.
I myself am fanatical about Voyager but my fanatical feelings are diverse, and I am sure that a similar degree of internal struggle can be found with most people who take the time to watch every episode over 40 times.
Well gee thanks for checking up on me there junior. But why don't you hang around a little longer before you start commenting on other people's posting habits you might learn a few things. I've only posted numerous times about watching Star Trek going on 35 years now. I probably have more posts in each of the Star Trek groups as you do total. As for trolling, sorry I may have been a little non-sequitur about it, but I don't think Voyager was a good show, have said so many times in the past, and will do in the future.
Dragging this back onto topic, I have to confess - I've never actually watched Endgame - I came back to Voyager a couple of years ago and of course by then the internet was covered in spoilers for it, and being the nosy type I couldn't resist looking up how they got home - and I just didn't like what I read (mod's look away - Iwant to see if my new expert technical experience in smileys works here...)
There's a difference between doing an honest critique of a show (whether you like it or not) and coming into a forum dedicated to a show just to inform the fans that you think the show they love sucks. Not only do we not care that you think it sucks but trolling is against the board rules. LIke I said before if you do it again you'll get a warning.
I'd also like to remind ReadyAndWilling as well as everyone else that it's best not to "feed the trolls" or mini-mod. Let a moderator know when a troll pops up and we'll take care of it.
(mod's look away - Iwant to see if my new expert technical experience in smileys works here...)
Too late - how oddly disturbing yet mesmerizing at the same time.
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Too late - how oddly disturbing yet mesmerizing at the same time.
Drats!!!
Seriously though, and I ask this as a massive fan of the rest of Voyager - can anyone give me a reason to watch Endgame? (other than being able to set post Endgame 'fixer' fanfic into context
) Surely some of you must like it? Or if not all of it, some things about it?Just asking! It seems to be the only thing about Voyager that gets wholesale bad press both from fans and haters.
Seriously though, and I ask this as a massive fan of the rest of Voyager - can anyone give me a reason to watch Endgame? (other than being able to set post Endgame 'fixer' fanfic into context
Just asking! It seems to be the only thing about Voyager that gets wholesale bad press both from fans and haters.
I think the confrontation between Admiral Janeway and the Borg queen at the end is pretty awesome, especially the lines, "Must have been something you assimilated," and "just enough to bring chaos to order."
Brit
Frazzled, only posting here again for you.....I did rather like the last shot of Voyager approaching Earth, maybe you can just find a screen shot of that- it was pretty cool, even if I was sitting there (when I first watched it) saying to myself "Is that it, that's the end????". Lol.
Hello Galekarens! Nice to see you here. A screen shot of that sounds great, maybe even for use as an avatar or something, if one of my tech expert friends could do that! 
Brit, I forgot the admiral goes and has scenes with the Borg Queen, I've read references to that in both fanfic (including your latest) and mainstream trek Lit. It does sound good - like Janeway at her very very best for one last time.
Brit, I forgot the admiral goes and has scenes with the Borg Queen, I've read references to that in both fanfic (including your latest) and mainstream trek Lit. It does sound good - like Janeway at her very very best for one last time.
Seriously though, and I ask this as a massive fan of the rest of Voyager - can anyone give me a reason to watch Endgame? (other than being able to set post Endgame 'fixer' fanfic into context
Just asking! It seems to be the only thing about Voyager that gets wholesale bad press both from fans and haters.
Watch it, but only if you really have 2 hours to kill. It's not a great episode, but it's also not horrible. It's just....eh. Any good is balanced out by incredibly cliche/lame, almost to a mathematical level. And the Chakotay/Seven thing makes me want to bang my head against the wall.
Some important things to note: You will NOT get an All Good Things... or What You Leave Behind out of it. It's a mediocre episode that could just as easily have happened in season 5. You get closure on NOTHING. Icheb's future with the academy, Tom's reunion with his father, fate of the Equinox crew, etc. are all left completely up in the air in favor of simply showing us "lol Voyager makes it back", which was pretty obvious from the beginning anyway.
And that's not entirely true. Threshold gets universal bad press, too (and rightfully so).
Some fans have made version excising the C7 parts and claim that it's not so bad watched that way. I've been meaning to make one of those for myself sometime since it's been years since I've watched it. While I own the Season 7 dvds I'm only able to make it as far as "The Void" before losing interest.
Unless everything Admiral Janeway did in "Endgame" was a better outcome than what they had.
For example: what if going back and saving Seven, Chakotay & Tuvok brings more advantages to the Federation/Starfleet than the future we saw? Bringing home the EMH sooner would allow Starfleet medical to advance their knowledge and technology years sooner.
and what about the extra decade of adventures where voyager saved people and planets from certain doom that was just snuffed out? the hundreds of worlds they ran into and inspired to one day join the UFP?
What about all the "other" children that were supposed to be born on Voyager still travelling through the dq that she butterfly effected into nonexistence?
What about all the "other" children that were supposed to be born on Voyager still travelling through the dq that she butterfly effected into nonexistence?
Maybe she accomplished the same thing by destroying the Borg and saving them all in one fell swoop without sacrificing her crew members. You know those twenty-two dead crew members are never named, but just look at who was missing, Ayala, the Delaney sisters, Icheb etc.
I actually tried to make a list of lower deck personnel that had appeared either several times or had a significant part in one episode. I came up with less than thirty names, it boggles the imagination. Think about it, just who was dead, it's easy to dismiss 22 crew members, it's harder when they have names and faces.
I see no reason why those children couldn't be born in the alpha quadrant, plus the rest that couldn't be born in the delta quadrant because one or both of their parents were dead, or otherwise unable to have a family, even though they desired children.
Brit
I might love you like a plump uncle who does magic tricks brit, but the Borg weren't destroyed.
Sure their nose got bloodied, but if you can't handle a bloody nose, then you got no business being in space int he first place.
The hub was annihilated and a Queen bought it, but more so than that who can tell, because this was a pin prick against a leviathan, and it's more than possible that the Borg were actually inoculated against this Futuretech before it could wisely be used decisively enforce against a target or targets that would cripple the Borg, since it's odd that the Borg exist in the future where these weapons do come from are all onboard, one would assume, most every federation Ship, but Voyager alone was able to use them to sever the head of the entire collective in one fell swoop?
That doesn't sound right at all.
And us guys, our swimmers, well there's 90 million of them racing to be head of the pack every time we unload and they only live for three days no matter who's body they're in... So even if couples stay together or do it at exactly the same time, down to a hundredth of a second simulclimaxing with an unseen parallel timeline, there's still a huge butterfly in the ointment that the baby making is happening or not happening on polar sides of the galaxy in completely different gravity fields that all 90 million sperm xan even be situated to be treadding in the same starting positions when the race rebegins as they were the first time around, and that's even a bad call if the same sperm is being fired at a different egg, since I have no idea how cutsies and queue hopping works inside the customs office goosestepping regularity at the division of ovary and fallopian tube.
Sure the "new" progeny can be similar, but it's still a dead certainty that any child produced by the same same couples is going to be a brother or a sister of the siblings you'd find in a previously dominant timeline.
But just think about these "couples" from Voyager. They went from choosing a breeding-mate from 70ish members of the opposite sex, to suddenly 90 billionish depending on species.
Some couples are just not going to bother staying together now that they're not left with no choice but the best option from a sampling so pitiful even Kim was getting his wick dipped and heaven help us, but Chakotay was viewed as an "alphadog". Consider how the divorce rate on Voyager after their homecoming would have skyrocketted to about 90 percent given the smorgasbord of opportunity now available?
Sure their nose got bloodied, but if you can't handle a bloody nose, then you got no business being in space int he first place.
The hub was annihilated and a Queen bought it, but more so than that who can tell, because this was a pin prick against a leviathan, and it's more than possible that the Borg were actually inoculated against this Futuretech before it could wisely be used decisively enforce against a target or targets that would cripple the Borg, since it's odd that the Borg exist in the future where these weapons do come from are all onboard, one would assume, most every federation Ship, but Voyager alone was able to use them to sever the head of the entire collective in one fell swoop?
That doesn't sound right at all.
And us guys, our swimmers, well there's 90 million of them racing to be head of the pack every time we unload and they only live for three days no matter who's body they're in... So even if couples stay together or do it at exactly the same time, down to a hundredth of a second simulclimaxing with an unseen parallel timeline, there's still a huge butterfly in the ointment that the baby making is happening or not happening on polar sides of the galaxy in completely different gravity fields that all 90 million sperm xan even be situated to be treadding in the same starting positions when the race rebegins as they were the first time around, and that's even a bad call if the same sperm is being fired at a different egg, since I have no idea how cutsies and queue hopping works inside the customs office goosestepping regularity at the division of ovary and fallopian tube.
Sure the "new" progeny can be similar, but it's still a dead certainty that any child produced by the same same couples is going to be a brother or a sister of the siblings you'd find in a previously dominant timeline.
But just think about these "couples" from Voyager. They went from choosing a breeding-mate from 70ish members of the opposite sex, to suddenly 90 billionish depending on species.
Some couples are just not going to bother staying together now that they're not left with no choice but the best option from a sampling so pitiful even Kim was getting his wick dipped and heaven help us, but Chakotay was viewed as an "alphadog". Consider how the divorce rate on Voyager after their homecoming would have skyrocketted to about 90 percent given the smorgasbord of opportunity now available?
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Shoot me down now, but I just thought Threshold was kinda funny. Nonsensical but amusing.
Fury doesn't have much to recommend it though, and I think a few people around here would agree.
Re: watching Endgame w/o the C/7 parts; I remember when I taped it when I watched it in 2001, I did hit pause when there was C/7, but now I can't find the tape, too bad, ha (well, there is always fast forwarding on DVDs). GS.
I feel the same way about it. It makes no sense whatsoever but is fun to watch.
That's EXACTLY the tape I need to make for myself.
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