ENDGAME: It's finale time for Voyager on Spike!

[nx1701g]

MeanJoePhaser said:
Why do all future Klingons use those massive ships? Especially since the Klingon is living a hole in the ground, hardly seems like a first rate house to me.

Twp possibilities:

1.) The Negh'Var essentially became the equivalent of the Excelsior Class to the Klingons and replaced the Bird of Prey as the Workhorse.

2.) The Klingon was a member of the High Council. It's possible that (in this time period) all members of the High Council commanded their individual areas/fleets from a Negh'Var.

 

[Enrage]

MeanJoePhaser said:

Seems like for aquarter Klingon, Paris and Torres' daughter's ridges still seem as significant as her mothers.

The Doctor said in "Lineage" that Klingon traits remain dominant for several generations.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Enrage said:

MeanJoePhaser said:

Seems like for aquarter Klingon, Paris and Torres' daughter's ridges still seem as significant as her mothers.

The Doctor said in "Lineage" that Klingon traits remain dominant for several generations.

Yeah, I remember. But Belanna's traits were less prominent that full blood Klingon's, so her daughter's ridges should be a tad less than her mothers...again, minor nitpick...if one at all. Since the Klingon make-ups changed a bit over the years (IMHO, recent versions are too overdone...I prefer Star Trek 3 look.)

 

[SpatialDude]

I just saw Endgame. Love every second of it. I still hate the fact that we don't see them after they get home. And no I don't want to read those books.

 

[Squiggy]

Same here.

Almost brings a tear to my eye when they speed out of the sphere. Of course, the look on Harry's face is wonderful.

 

[ed629]

Was it me, or was the armor for Voyager redone? I seem to remember it deploying more in a shutter type fashion than to have that materializing effect?

I haven't seen this episode since it first aired.

 

[Dale]

Just finished my DVR-delayed viewing of Endgame... what a great ep. I loved the moment when the Borg queen realized she'd been double-crossed and began to fall apart... and I also wish we'd gotten to spend a LITTLE time with them after they reached Earth... even if it was just a re-enactment of the opening fireworks scene... it would have given the episode a nice sense of closure. Of course, having Janeway give her so-oft-repeated order to "set a course for home" was quite poignant too, but a little more "tah-dah" at the end, a little more triumph, might have been nice.

 

[Transwarped]

It seems like the end is missing something. I wish they had shown the crew returning to Earth/parting ways. Maybe they should have made it a 3 part episode.

 

[nx1701g]

I've always taken it more along the lines of what they show in the future scenes (minus Seven and Chakotay being dead as well as Tuvok being in a psychiatric hospital) is what was destined to happen to the characters. Which means:

Janeway: Has become and Admiral and teaches at Starfleet Academy
Paris: Has become a successful holonovelist
Torres: Finally accepted her Klingon Heritage and is an Ambassador
Kim: Finally was given a command he deserved
Doctor: A Medical Officer assigned to Starfleet Medical
Neelix: Federation Ambassador to the Delta Quadrant (Resolved in a prior episode)

 

[Brolan]

One question for those who read the novels, at the end of Endshame...I mean Endgame, Voyager arrives with the upgraded armor and torpedoes. What does Starfleet do with this obvious violation of the Temporial prime directive?

 

[asp7485]

Good question! The Voyager crew is incarcerated for 68 years, which would've been how much time it would've taken them to complete their journey home (minus the 7 years) without all the jumps and Borg transwarp hub.

-Aaron

 

[cylkoth]

Brolan said:
One question for those who read the novels, at the end of Endshame...I mean Endgame, Voyager arrives with the upgraded armor and torpedoes. What does Starfleet do with this obvious violation of the Temporial prime directive?

That would imply that there was a TPD around in the 24th century. Each reference of the TPD always came from those Starfleeters traveling from the future, wasn't it?
The more specific question should be, where were the time cops while all this was playing out. And why didn't they show up to confiscate those marvelous toys after Voyager got home?

 

[Charles Trip Tucker III]

Simply put, the timecops don't exist in the 24th century, they exist in the 29th century. They only got involved with Voyager in "Relativity" because a 29th century time traveler went back in time and screwed with history by destroying Voyager. The events of "Endgame" would be part of the timecops' history.

 

[Arianwen]

I wish there had been a part 3, too, (well actually a whole nother season would be nice hehee) but I kinda like the mystery, too.

 

[MacLeod]

Charles Trip Tucker III said:
Simply put, the timecops don't exist in the 24th century, they exist in the 29th century. They only got involved with Voyager in "Relativity" because a 29th century time traveler went back in time and screwed with history by destroying Voyager. The events of "Endgame" would be part of the timecops' history.

I disagree in "Future's End" when Voyager is orbit of Earth in the 20th Century, a temperol agent arrives to take them back to where there should be. When all Voyager had to do was sling shot around the sun and be home.

 

[TailKinker]

Actually, there are books that delve into what happens from Endgame - starting with Homecoming, part 1, by Christie Golden...it's been a long time since I've read it, but I truly can't remember reading any Star Trek book that I didn't at least like or absolutely love!

 

[Charles Trip Tucker III]

MacLeod said:

Charles Trip Tucker III said:
Simply put, the timecops don't exist in the 24th century, they exist in the 29th century. They only got involved with Voyager in "Relativity" because a 29th century time traveler went back in time and screwed with history by destroying Voyager. The events of "Endgame" would be part of the timecops' history.

I disagree in "Future's End" when Voyager is orbit of Earth in the 20th Century, a temperol agent arrives to take them back to where there should be. When all Voyager had to do was sling shot around the sun and be home.

Obviously VOY didn't go by TVH's method of time travel.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Mulgrew does a pretty good job acting opposite herself.

Borg queen uses some mixed up logic...if Captain Janeway never gets home, then Admiral Janeway can't come back and none of this will happen.

Uh, Queenie, weren't you the one who went to the 21st century to assimilate Earth...which would've negated the Borg's reasons to go back to assimilate Earth to begin with. Meaning...by assimilating Earth in the past you nullify the Borg's future knowledge of Earth...therefore undoing what you hope to accomplish.

For a collective mind, the Borg sure are stoooooopid.

Also, how the sphere survive the pathogen...or was that localized? Or what? Why wasn't Admiral janeway yanking wires outta Queenie's skull? Yeah...whole assimilating thing kinda had her weak...

Classic color commentary while watching ENDGAME:

Seven:"I assume Starfleet will want to debrief me."

Chakotay: "Not if I de-brief you first!"

 

[nx1701g]

Fate of the 24th Century Technology:

Starfleet restricted access to it and turned it over to Starfleet Intelligence's Department of Temporal Investigations.

The Temporal Prime Directive does exist for all Starfleet Officers. It was mentioned twice in Deep Space Nine (Trials and Tribbleations, Past Tense) and a couple of times in Voyager other than when the timecops appeared. The Temporal Prime Directive stated that they couldn't contaminate the timeline by changing events or information past selves or others about upcoming events.

 

[Dimension11]

Charles Trip Tucker III said:

MacLeod said:

Charles Trip Tucker III said:
Simply put, the timecops don't exist in the 24th century, they exist in the 29th century. They only got involved with Voyager in "Relativity" because a 29th century time traveler went back in time and screwed with history by destroying Voyager. The events of "Endgame" would be part of the timecops' history.

I disagree in "Future's End" when Voyager is orbit of Earth in the 20th Century, a temperol agent arrives to take them back to where there should be. When all Voyager had to do was sling shot around the sun and be home.

Obviously VOY didn't go by TVH's method of time travel.

Plus not to mention that Janeway mentioned herself a few times that she didn't like the idea of time travel.

It's interesting this time travel business is one of those fads that was cool when TOS was around, so the writers wrote it in, but later died out, so we hardly hear mention of it.