Such restriction, isn't at the heart of the human yearning to go far afoot.
How is free colonizing/Terraforming "Out of control"? if anything its probably better left to the "Private Sector" such as it exists (Just barely) in the Trekverse.
Sharr
elements from ENT to bring to XI?
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Such restriction, isn't at the heart of the human yearning to go far afoot.
How is free colonizing/Terraforming "Out of control"? if anything its probably better left to the "Private Sector" such as it exists (Just barely) in the Trekverse.
Sharr
Yeah, you'll note my specific use of the term "soft-core porn" in there... there's pretty much NOTHING "sanitary" about the "decon chamber" used here.
A real decontamination chamber would involve a combination of agents and radiation for external contaminants, combined with an "isolation ward" sickbay room or two nearby as well. In that sense, Enterprise didn't do too bad. The ONLY major beef I have was the "erotic massage for decontamination" thing.
Instead, I'd have the crewers go through a decon shower, one at a time (and totally buck-naked), then a decon dryer. Every single time they left or came back. They would never wear their "normal" cloths away, then wear them again when they came back... they'd have shipboard uniforms and "away" uniforms.
Actually, even in "Class M" environments, I'd like to see protective gear worn, at least by the initial survey teams. Never know when a facehugger or Ceti Eel might make a leap for ya...
Obviously, they came up with the concept of the "biofilter" in TNG, and you can retroactively consider that it was present in TOS (if somewhat more "porous" sometimes!).
Well, I'm personally in favor of hot babes in slinky outfits in my PERSONAL LIFE... I just have a hard time accepting that it's considered proper professional wear, unless we're talking about a particularly old profession.On the subject Cat-suited Vulcan's i disagree because i think Tpol cat-suits(blue,red and white) in season 3 and 4 are greatand scould be inspiration for uniforms in XI movie with mixture of TOS elements.
(Hey, Temis can drool over her guys, I can say this... equal rights! :-D )
I would not call restriction rather caution or common sense.. You say How is free colonizing/Terraforming "Out of control"? If it isn't under control it can easily lead to confrontation with ,,alien spices´´ with the rouge human colonist that don't feel bound by the Federation code that could lead to conflict that could drag Federation into because Aliens would hold Federation responsible for this rouge human colonist action e.c.c.
I see where you are coming from (Clearly it is all about the all pervading "Prime Directive") I still disagree. Colonization has always been better done by rugged individuals going over the horizon and building their own place in the world.
Sharr
The way human beings are, I have a hard time believing any government could stop them. Free enterprise will start making rockets, and away we go.
But maybe this concept fits in better with Firefly (and ENT) than with the more centralized-control mentality of TOS, where civilians don't challenge the supremacy of Starfleet very much.
The Boomers thing fit into something I wanted for ENT (and didn't see enough), the idea the the centrally-controlled, "evolved" Federation of TOS hadn't yet taken shape. I wanted ENT to show a more military Starfleet with more human foibles, and a lot of humans bopping around the galaxy unsupervised and basically being their usual uncontrollable selves.
Whether or not any of this should or will come to pass in reality is a different issue. I don't think governments and religion will "wither away" in the future either, but that's what Trek says, it's just a what-if basis for the story and that's fine. IF that were to happen, what would happen next.
I have a feeling real space exploration, if it ever became profitable, would be a lot more Firefly and a lot less Starfleet.
Yeah we don't want war with the Cardamon Empire! Okay sorry I couldn't resist.
Starfleet riles up aliens plenty often of their own accord.
Might as well let colonists trespass on alien space, gets em used to the notion by the time Starfleet comes around.Yknow now that I think of it, ENT did have the problem of Earth being blamed for human colonists' actions as a plot thread. That was good, it made for an interesting situation. The potential for conflict is a reason to adopt this aspect of Star Trek because drama procedes from conflict so why avoid it? Charge right into it!
I'm going to put in another vote for the interior design style of Enterprise making an appearance in Star Trek XI, suitably brightened up with a TOS colour palette. The way the interiors looked on Enterprise was without doubt the high point of the show - everything from the control interfaces to the layout of the sets looked designed for a purpose and functional, instead of pie in the sky or like a hotel in space.
Combining the two looks would make for a far more realistic looking environment than sticking doggedly to the TOS design aesthetic on its own.
Combining the two looks would make for a far more realistic looking environment than sticking doggedly to the TOS design aesthetic on its own.
Well, there's a fine line to tread there... I, personally, saw the "Enterprise" sets as being WAAAAYY too closely tied to today's technological level. I think that, fifty years down the road, people will look at the "Enterprise" sets and see them as extremely "dated."
Try to imagine things from that perspective. Not from the perspective of the turn of the 21st Century. Do we REALLY think that we'll still have big chunky flat-panel displays and QWERTY keyboards in common use in another century and a half? Or will all of that be considered "goofy old-fashioned looking" by the time today's kids have grandkids? Sort of like beehive hairdos?
Exactly so.
Well for myself, I wouldn't really want any specific storyline used (but thats true of any of the series). But for aspects. The above mentioned esign interior work of Enterprise is my favorite of all the series and all the films. The costumes where the most believable any of the Trek shows (or films) have used.
I liked the Decon room (in principle, and in practise most of the time), ut would prefer more of a shower based and radiation based for others. No rubbing gels.
For tone, the one thing I think ENT did better then any film or series is the wonder of coming in contact with a planet, with a race, with a comet, ect. Now TOS had some of this, but I wanted a little more.
I liked the Decon room (in principle, and in practise most of the time), ut would prefer more of a shower based and radiation based for others. No rubbing gels.
For tone, the one thing I think ENT did better then any film or series is the wonder of coming in contact with a planet, with a race, with a comet, ect. Now TOS had some of this, but I wanted a little more.
Well, there's more likely to be "Enterprise" elements than, say, DS9 elements.
After all, Spock is Future Guy.
After all, Spock is Future Guy.
Temis
While I thank most fans wanted a darker series, I don't think it works witht e bulk of established Earth History.
If anything, Earth during Kirk's time (or the Federation under Kirk's time) has shown to be a much more harsh, dark and violent period.
From DS9 saying Earth of the 22cd century was a paradise close to the 24th century earth that they knew.
To Bev and Picard talking about the formation of a plantary government.
To references in First Contact and Voyager to earth after meeting the Vulcans getting its shit together fast, with no wars, no real disease, no real poverty.
There really isn't a comprable period in human history.
I mean sure certain countires might not have war or combat for periods of time. But the planet. Imagine a Earth with no war for over 50 years. That is going to really change how people view the military.
Add to that a peaceful encounter with an alien race. HTats going to reinforce a lack of a strong military presence.
I think B & B actually treated (as much as can be with the fictional nature of that universe and how things that might take eons happen in a century) the situation very realistically.
You don't know war or hunger. You have formed a world government in tat same War free period. You meet an alien race that is exceptionally peaceful.
People are going to forget about the military. People aren't going to see the need to build one up.
By having Starfleet start out so much as a science/ exploration group really fits that mindset.
I liked the concept of showing that as Humans got further out into space, that its conflicts and the dangers increased dramatically. For more then any of them ever really dreamed. Thats a great concept.
While I hated the concept of the Xindi, I loved how it changed not only the crew into seeing the dangers lurking out in space, but how in season 4 we say how that was also effecting Earth's populace.
ABout the only group of humans that should have had any real need for military buildup where the extreme colonies or far out traders (the Boomers which are a great concept that was never realized). I wanted a Mayweather that was rough around the edges and challanged the crews beliefs (we got the exact opposite, and in fact Maweather as concieved is probably one of Trek's biggest failings on a character standpoint). I would have loved to see and here more arguements about them (the Boomers) pushing for more weapons and being told no. Or having a character like Mayweatherreally tell the crew off after the attack on Earth. Teh "We have been warning you about this for decades".
Oh well.
But I can't see the Boomer angle being that important in the future.
I wouldn't mind seeing a MACO aspect to starfleet, since during Kirk's time. Wars did happen, conflict did abound. Dictators (on Federation colonies) did happen.
While I thank most fans wanted a darker series, I don't think it works witht e bulk of established Earth History.
If anything, Earth during Kirk's time (or the Federation under Kirk's time) has shown to be a much more harsh, dark and violent period.
From DS9 saying Earth of the 22cd century was a paradise close to the 24th century earth that they knew.
To Bev and Picard talking about the formation of a plantary government.
To references in First Contact and Voyager to earth after meeting the Vulcans getting its shit together fast, with no wars, no real disease, no real poverty.
There really isn't a comprable period in human history.
I mean sure certain countires might not have war or combat for periods of time. But the planet. Imagine a Earth with no war for over 50 years. That is going to really change how people view the military.
Add to that a peaceful encounter with an alien race. HTats going to reinforce a lack of a strong military presence.
I think B & B actually treated (as much as can be with the fictional nature of that universe and how things that might take eons happen in a century) the situation very realistically.
You don't know war or hunger. You have formed a world government in tat same War free period. You meet an alien race that is exceptionally peaceful.
People are going to forget about the military. People aren't going to see the need to build one up.
By having Starfleet start out so much as a science/ exploration group really fits that mindset.
I liked the concept of showing that as Humans got further out into space, that its conflicts and the dangers increased dramatically. For more then any of them ever really dreamed. Thats a great concept.
While I hated the concept of the Xindi, I loved how it changed not only the crew into seeing the dangers lurking out in space, but how in season 4 we say how that was also effecting Earth's populace.
ABout the only group of humans that should have had any real need for military buildup where the extreme colonies or far out traders (the Boomers which are a great concept that was never realized). I wanted a Mayweather that was rough around the edges and challanged the crews beliefs (we got the exact opposite, and in fact Maweather as concieved is probably one of Trek's biggest failings on a character standpoint). I would have loved to see and here more arguements about them (the Boomers) pushing for more weapons and being told no. Or having a character like Mayweatherreally tell the crew off after the attack on Earth. Teh "We have been warning you about this for decades".
Oh well.
But I can't see the Boomer angle being that important in the future.
I wouldn't mind seeing a MACO aspect to starfleet, since during Kirk's time. Wars did happen, conflict did abound. Dictators (on Federation colonies) did happen.
I never got the impression that the Earth of ENT's time was evolved and peaceful to the same extent as TOS or TNG. It should have been a transitional period between what we saw in First Contact - fragmented, violent - and Kirk's time.
And given the number of advanced, aggressive alien species in the Trek universe of any era, if Earth didn't have some sort of military space defense, they were inevitably going to need one. The Xindi attack was the sort of thing that was going to happen sooner or later. I don't think Earth ever could have afforded not to have a militarized Starfleet, and that has nothing to do with whether Earth is evolved. As long as the rest of the cosmos is "un-evolved," Starfleet must be military.
Maybe the Boomers could have been more organized and they were the ones who initiated Starfleet - or a vigilante style organization that eventually evolved into Starfleet - wow, that would have been different than everyone would have expected - oh well, another lost opportunity.
Oops, is the tranporter acting up again? 