Nah. It's a trivial footnote at the tail end of a Franchise that none of them have expressed much interest in beyond TNG.
elements from ENT to bring to XI?
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Nah. It's a trivial footnote at the tail end of a Franchise that none of them have expressed much interest in beyond TNG.
The DS9 relaunch books to deal with the evil conspiracy slugs.
The Andorians from Enterprise should be kept. Enterprise made Last Unicorn Games' Among The Clans The Andorians...
C A N O N.
Bwwwwahhahahahahaha.
The Andorians from Enterprise should be kept. Enterprise made Last Unicorn Games' Among The Clans The Andorians...
C A N O N.
Bwwwwahhahahahahaha.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I hate Andorians. I'm just sayin... the Andorians we saw in "Journey to Babel" seemed a lot more ALIEN than the ones we saw in ENT. Except for the blue skin and antenna, the ACTING was very much "all American." The Andorians we saw in "Journey" felt much more alien... and I'd like for the various aliens to be treated as such... and not as "beachcomber dudes with makeup on."
I'd kinda like to see some Xindis in the background somewhere.
That was my favorite part. Trek hardly ever does anything surprising - which is why the revelation was fun. On any other skiffy show you'd see it coming a mile away, like a story where the "big twist" turns out to be that the people on a given planet age backwards.
Eh... I have to say, the Orions are just about the only alien race whose makeup I felt looked better on TOS than on a later show. That icky dark green makeup on ENT was truly repulsive, as opposed to the light green used for Marta in "Whom Gods Destroy."
However, I'm fine with the sexual matriarchy and fat Arab shiekhs in space bit.
As for the 'alien Andorians'... perspective, people, perspective. I'm European, Austrians (as the actor who played Shras was in 'Journey to Babel') are far less alien to me than Southern Californians (who frequently seem to act like they're froma another planet anyway). I'd be fine with ENT-style Andorians, quivering antennae et al.
Just do nothing about the Xyrillians impregnating men and I'll be happy. Thankfully, the chances of that happening are zilch to nul..
However, I'm fine with the sexual matriarchy and fat Arab shiekhs in space bit.
As for the 'alien Andorians'... perspective, people, perspective. I'm European, Austrians (as the actor who played Shras was in 'Journey to Babel') are far less alien to me than Southern Californians (who frequently seem to act like they're froma another planet anyway). I'd be fine with ENT-style Andorians, quivering antennae et al.
Just do nothing about the Xyrillians impregnating men and I'll be happy. Thankfully, the chances of that happening are zilch to nul..
If they made it so there were a subclass of special women who could do it, I could buy that. A secret ruling class of these female manipulators. But if every Orion woman is able to control most any man she comes across, why haven't they taken over the galaxy? And why this act of them being subservient? Surely not every Orion woman is clever enough to pull off that facade her entire life. If Archer and co. uncovered this secret in the 22nd century, why is there no mention of it in later-era appearances? Why would ANYONE allow an Orion woman anywhere near themselves? Unless we assume Archer really is retarded and never reported it. . . but then the next ship to run into the same situation should have.
The concept works, but it becomes increasingly difficult to justify when put up against the rest of what we know about the Orions. It would have been a great concept to put towards a new recurring race, but as soon as it appeared in 'Enterprise' I rolled my eyes.
Seems like a matter of numbers. Look at women you know, personally, who can pull of similar (if lesser-scaled) actions. As a woman gets more male hangers-on, her ability to control each individual becomes less. So you'd need a lot of Orion females in order to really take over any significant portion of the galaxy.
Second, there are always those who are not susceptible to this control. Other females, non-biologically-compatible races (say, Tholians, just for example). Wouldn't have much positive effect on those.
Third... I could be mistaken, but I get the impression that most Orion females aren't really in hot pursuit of mommyhood. Nothing in ANY portrayal of them has ever really insinuated that they're looking for the happiness of home and hearth, has it? Really, they're the Trek Universe's answer to man-hating pole-dancer girls. You guys DO realize that the overwhelming majority of women at strip clubs HATE MEN with a passion far beyond anything you're probably able to imagine...
So, whether you consider the Orion females to be the victims (like some people view strippers) or the predators (like some other people view strippers), with the men who "abuse them" being the REAL victims... there's no question but that having a happy family is not what you should expect from these women. Thus... Orion birthrates would seem likely to be fairly low.
Dunno, seems to work pretty well right here on Earth. How many times do women play the "weak little thing" card in order to make us "big strong men" do whatever they want? Orions seem to simply take this tendency to an extreme... but it's nothing we don't see all the time right here, is it?
Of course, I'm sure that, just like with humans, there are all varieties of Orions... and that not every Orion female is a heartless Succubus seeking to destroy the souls of men.
Just as I'm sure that there are some butt-ugly Orion women, and some scrawny, "sensitive" Orion males.
Maybe that's why we only see Orion females three other times.. once in a fantasy, once in an asylum, and once in a totally out-of-character role in exile in a pocket universe. (Not counting the Mirror Universe episode... who's to say that they don't "de-scent" their Orion women there?)
Well, unless the 22nd-century version of "The National Enquirer" reported it, I'm sure that most people would never quite pick up on this unless they did their research up-front...
We never saw much of anything of the Orions as a species other than in "The Cage/Menagerie."
What we're told there is that they're considered "like animals" are extremely seductive and "no man can resist them."
Well, it would be pretty pointless for them to develop such powers of manipulation if that ability didn't work on their own kind, wouldn't it? And if they are, in fact, so irresistable, what prevents them from taking control of their own society?
The problem was with a silly throwaway line of sexual fantasizing that Roddenberry wrote into one of his scripts - not with "Enterprise," which just followed the premise to its logical conclusion.
I've always explained away the lack of Xindi in TOS (in my own mind) as the fact that the Xindi began to keep to themselves more after the incidents on 'Enterprise'. I feel we don't see the Xindi in TOS is because they decided to stay in their little corner of the galaxy and don't bother anyone anymore. I persoanlly don't think they should suddenly appear again in this film (but that's just to jive with my personal explanation as to where they were during TOS.)
Elements of Enterprise? Well, you already have the self-hating, too-much-free-time haters who are already screaming bloody murder over anything and everything about the next Trek movie with the intent to hate every minute of it (the 15 times they go to see it) in order to have a self-fulfilling prophecy. 
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Elements of Enterprise? Well, you already have the self-hating, too-much-free-time haters who are already screaming bloody murder over anything and everything about the next Trek movie with the intent to hate every minute of it (the 15 times they go to see it) in order to have a self-fulfilling prophecy.
True; for a while after "Enterprise" was cancelled they were rather at a loss.
I really don't like that idea. I feel space exploration scould be supervised by United Earth/federation government then letting it get out of control.
I agree pretty much what you are saying in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11,. However regarding The soft porn decon chamber, well okey we can lose the gel thing but as a advocate for to removal of transporter tech in next XI movie or in future Trek series however i know that will never happened as most fans will never accept that so i would suggest then limiting transporter tech to panel to panel transport only, if these are confusing i mean transporter rooms to another transporter room only. No direct transport to planet or starship that doesn't have transporter room. That will mean more shuttle scene and less transporter scene and this will also mean we would need some kind of ,,decon champer'' smilier as in ENT.I would like to NEVER see again from ENT:
1) The temporal cold war
2) The Suliban
3) The NX-01 design
4) The season1/season2 portrayal of the Vulcans.
5) The HORRIFIC examples of "bad science"
6) The technobabble
7) The "holistic sickbay" approach
The soft-core-porn "decon chamber"
9) Catsuited Vulcans
10) Andorians who behave waaaay too "southern Californian Human" like.
11) Terms like "Phase cannons" or "photonic torpedos" or "polarized hull plating" or whatever...
On the subject Cat-suited Vulcan's i disagree because i think Tpol cat-suits(blue,red and white) in season 3 and 4 are great
and scould be inspiration for uniforms in XI movie with mixture of TOS elements.