ELEMENTARY - News, Reviews, and Discussion

[Mudd]

It's developed its characters, both core and supporting, a lot more subtly and richly than Sherlock has room for in its brief seasons.

Nope.

Doing it longer, or more repetitiously, doesn't equal doing it better.

And Elementary is well ahead of many American procedurals, and a long way ahead of Sherlock, in its handling of diversity and gender.

Nope. Gender-switching characters doesn't earn automatic points.

And it's not generic, because it has lots of marvelous little Easter eggs, homages, quotes, and appropriations from the Holmes canon...

In-jokes don't address the generic style, plotting and-by-the-numbers characters introduced to drive the stories, which is what matters. You could pitch this show with the same stories you'd take into any of the CSIs.

 

[Australis]

Cumberbatch, however, does watch it; Jonny Lee Miller says that Cumberbatch will call or text him about the show and they'll discuss it. I think that's cool.

As do I.

 

[Christopher]

It would be interesting to get to listen in on one of those conversations. Do they just chat about the show? Do they discuss and critique their respective approaches to playing Holmes? Or do they talk more about the experience of working with their co-stars and creative teams?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Some casting news on the third season -- Ophelia Lovibond has been cast in the recurring role of Kitty Winter, Holmes' new protege. From the article: "Kitty’s reasons for undertaking Holmes' partnership are nebulous, and her new arrangement with Sherlock will have ongoing repercussions for his relationship with Joan."

 

[Christopher]

Ophelia Lovibond? Wow. Ian Fleming's ghost must be kicking himself for never thinking of that name.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Ophelia Lovibond? Wow. Ian Fleming's ghost must be kicking himself for never thinking of that name.

Kitty Winter's not half bad either.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Elementary is adding another recurring cast member, Raza Jaffrey. He will "recur as Joan's new boyfriend. His character, Andrew, is described as the 'anti-Sherlock.'"

 

[Christopher]

I've often thought that if they gave Joan Watson a love interest, he should've been named something like Larry Morstan. Although presumably you'd want to save that name for whoever she ends up marrying.

Of course, in this day and age, there's no reason they couldn't just give her a love interest named Mary Morstan...

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I've often thought that if they gave Joan Watson a love interest, he should've been named something like Larry Morstan. Although presumably you'd want to save that name for whoever she ends up marrying.

Of course, in this day and age, there's no reason they couldn't just give her a love interest named Mary Morstan...

Why not Marion? We think of it as a female name, but it was originally, and is still used as, a male name.

 

[Christopher]

Marion as a man's name? Don't be ridiculous!

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Man name or not, I wouldn't name anyone after Muldur, he was such a party pooper. Sisko should be given a medal for keeping his cool after standing in the same room with that guy for an entire episode. Besides, given the obvious time travel plot you're suggesting here – without a doubt a man named Shirley implies time travel, and so does Marion – we want to keep the department of temporal investerogations out of it. It's enough that Holmes has MI6 breathing down his neck, Watson is leaving him to join the deadly viper assassination squad, and Mycroft is now cooking for him at Diogenes. DTI will be the straw that broke the camel's back. Unless you do want him to relapse – that would be really mean.

Speaking of time travel, screw all Sherlock/Doctor Who crossover ideas. I do hope the Doctor picks the right Holmes. The Cumberbatch one is way too arrogant to ever deserve a trip on the TARDIS, even if we never get to see the lonely mountain as a result. Jonny Lee Miller's Sherlock is humble, sweet and likeable (something Cumberbatch's can envy) so he more than deserves a real trip if drug-induced ones are not recommended for him. Besides, I am still looking for a good explanation of how exactly he appeared in Emma.

Anyway, I got carried away, I was posting to say that my theory is that Kitty Winter's real name is Jamie Bond.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I've often thought that if they gave Joan Watson a love interest, he should've been named something like Larry Morstan. Although presumably you'd want to save that name for whoever she ends up marrying.

Of course, in this day and age, there's no reason they couldn't just give her a love interest named Mary Morstan...

Why not Marion? We think of it as a female name, but it was originally, and is still used as, a male name.

Marion Morrison approves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne

 

[Allyn Gibson]

CBS has released a 30-second trailer for the third season.

Telescopic stick fighting!

 

[Borgminister]

Looking forward to it--hope it can keep some kind of fresh edge to it...

 

[Christopher]

We have to wait until October 30? Waaaaah!

 

[Aldo]

Interesting that it's staying on Thursday nights. How will that work with CBS carrying Football games?

 

[Masiral]

Interesting that it's staying on Thursday nights. How will that work with CBS carrying Football games?

It doesn't premiere until October 30, after Thursday Night Football has ended.

 

[Aldo]

My bad, I didn't realize Thursday Night Football was ending. I figured they were doing it for the whole season.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I think -- but don't quote me on this -- that Thursday night football moves to the NFL Network for the last half of the season.

 

[Aragorn]

I think -- but don't quote me on this -- that Thursday night football moves to the NFL Network for the last half of the season.

The games are being simulcast on both channels now so CBS will just stop airing Thursday Night Football after week 9.