In normal conversation? No, no one talks like that. In specific situations to emphasize a point? You better believe I have a "manager's voice" for when I want to make my subordinates aware of a focus of mine.
Eggs with a side of Brooks
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Exactly. You don't talk like a normal person when you're yelling at subordinates.
It's Star Trek and fiction set in the future where humans have to engage in life-or-death struggles with aliens. I think it's safe to say the tone of voice a boss uses in a fictional 2375 can be depicted differently from how real world people in 2023 might react to similar language.
One would hope so, yes. One would imagine there would be a different approach.
Rewatching the clip I don't see Sisko necessarily out of line, save for the "Get Out" but even then I could see an officer being that blunt because he knew that Worf needed that since he was not even accepting responsibility.
Yes. What an amazing coincidence.
In that scene, Sisko wasn't yelling. His voice was a little louder than usual, but not a yell. Yelling is what he was doing with Garak in "In the Pale Moonlight" right before he hit Garak. A louder voice with crisper pronounciation lets the subordinate know that you are not kidding around.
Your boss isn't your commanding officer in a military force with the capacity to issue you legally binding orders, chewing you out for attempting to consensually kill a foreign national on the base.
I have just watched the first 2 episodes of DS9, Season 2 and I have noticed that Avery Brooks’ acting performance has been clearly improved, in comparison with his very poor performance in DS9, Season 1.
To me it always seemed like Brooks was trying to imitate Shatner's performanceas Kirk. Just look at his "it's easy to be a SAINT! (pause) In paradise!" speech.
The weird pauses, the weird stress on seemingly random words, the overall odd cadance, it's all there.
The weird pauses, the weird stress on seemingly random words, the overall odd cadance, it's all there.
The conversation had moved to a "manager's voice" in a civilian setting after fireproof78's post, that's what I responded to.
But it doesn't even matter because I simply don't like how Brooks ready those lines. Should there be a difference in how he talks in private vs. how he talks at work? Yes, of course. But it doesn't mean I have to like the choices he makes for both voices equally. I generally like how he plays the father/friend/lover/husband Ben, I generally dislike how he plays commander/captain Sisko.
This is getting pretty stupid when people insist that actors should just be like people are in regular life. NO actor does that. TV and film are not like that. Actors make choices about how to convey ideas and emotions. It's not natural. Insisting that Avery Brooks treat you like your boss, or more importantly, with "respect" is very suspect.
Even McCoy in TOS is an unrealistic physician by real world standards. Always grouchy, always mouthing off to their superiors, tossing thinly-veiled racist comments (however well-intentioned and playful) at co-workers and friends on the job and yet never being reported or reprimanded. And yet DeForest Kelley's Leonard McCoy is one of the seminal characters in all of Trek and one that helped define it as a human and very approachable franchise.
It worked. It might not fit into our idea of Human Resources in 2023 but it worked.
It worked. It might not fit into our idea of Human Resources in 2023 but it worked.
As someone who is particular in his diction I found Brooks just fine. People have their preferences.
Oh I love Brooks as Sisko. It doesn't hurt that, in my eyes, he's one of the handsomest leading men on classic Trek. And he's performance is splendid most of the time.
I just think that occasionally he slipped into this odd manner of speaking that reminds me of Kirk (like the speech about the people of Earth being "saints in paradise" I mentioned).
I guess I did too much theater work to really mind that emphasis in diction. I personally have very odd speaking mannerisms as I have very precise desire in accuracy in my speech. So, I have some odd starts and stops sometimes too
Well, if it doesn't work for you it doesn't work for you. But that's an entirely separate question from whether or not it's a natural speaking voice. It's still clearly not meant to be a natural way of speaking for Sisko -- it's clearly a cultivated verbal affectation designed to produce a particular response in the people he uses it upon.
And it's clearly meant for a specific audience in Worf. He says it in such a way that Dax knows exactly what is meant and intervenes to keep Worf from stepping in to it further. The scene plays out fine because Sisko has usually a measured way of speaking but here its a strong emphasis.
It works on multiple levels and I would expect in that specific situation it served it's purpose.
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